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Crazy idea: ScreenUbuntu?

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I just got this crazy idea: KUbuntu is Ubuntu with KDE instead of Gnome, XUbuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome... why not ScreenUbuntu with a nicely tweaked screen (text window manager, don't ask...) configuration? Add in a window manager like ratpoison, evilwm or maybe ion (need to think about which one) and put a lot of work in LaTeX support for all of Ubuntu (esp with non-western languages and stuff...).

Crazy? Yes. Maybe this should be considered humor.

Good idea? You tell me.

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I would say yes.

Although i love the CLI, so i am biased.

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Hmmm... This might be the kind of project that I CAN do. All I have to do is install ubuntu again, make it work in a way I like, then make preconfigured packages. Considering...

Oh well, lots of other things to do first:
1) really learn screen
2) switch to conkeror as my browser. It's really cool, but it doesn't get my bookmarks right, so I'll have a lot of bookmark moving to do, which is something I hate to do, so it will take a long while before I do it.
3) switch to ratpoison (using evilwm now, and it's just not good enough)
4) continue writing my top-secret program. I don't want to have too many projects at the same time (that is more than one) This will take a LONG time.
5) install ubuntu
6) learn how to make deb packages
7) yay!

The project idea is there for those who want to take it. If noone else does it, maybe I will in the far future.

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Here's what I recommend.

1) I think your idea is already in the server-version of Ubuntu, except that you have to type screen to kick it off. Perhaps the install could have a checkbox that asks, "Boot into Bash" and "Boot into Screen".

2) Someone needs to build a yast-like tool for Ubuntu, whether it be server Ubuntu or Ubuntu desktop. It's actually not that hard. One could build the menu-ing system in Bash with VT100 codes, read, and echo statements. In fact, I've already messed around with this and know it can be done.

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Sounds like a cool idea. It probably wouldn't have a very wide audience (compared to k/x/buntu), but that doesn't really matter as long as there's even few who'd like it. Smiling

Btw, another window manager to consider including (actually in my opinion you can't miss it) is openbox. Eye

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Yeah, but the problem with openbox is that you use a mouse for it Smiling

IIRC ion, evilwm and ratpoison you dont

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Yes of course you can just start screen, but that's not what I'm talking about. The nice thing about distributions like ubuntu is that you get a completely configured system with apps for every common task already included (eg a music player, a word processor, etc etc).
So what I would like to do is deliver a complete "desktop" trough apt-get install screenubuntu-desktop
The crazy side of the idea is that most users of screen and ratpoison and the like want to configure everything theirselves. But then again there might be quite some potential users who don't feel like doing all that configuration work.

Openbox doesn't fit in my idea. Evilwm doesn't strictly need a mouse, but some things are easier with a mouse. Ratpoison, ion and wmii are good candidates for the window manager, with ratpoison probably being the most suitable because it is very much like screen and doesn't contain nonsense like a lua interpreter (ion) or remote control from scripts, which I consider a potential security issue (wmii).

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By the way, I should have named it keybuntu...

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I see, a keyboard driven version of ubuntu. Keybuntu sounds like an appropriate name for that. Smiling

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Sounds like a great idea tbuitenh, it'll be nice to have a version of ubuntu for geeks. If it gets of the floor I might use it in my summer project.

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I wonder now, have any of you ubuntu fanboys tried debian ?
*heh* I know I know you have to configure it the way you want, but requiring a little free will in a geek distro is the right path o.O

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I've tried to try debian, but I've never been able to install it to a usable state, for me Gentoo is a much easier install. This is one boon for Ubuntu, you pop the disk in, you go through the menus, and it's installed in working order.

btw, I'm not an ubuntu fanboy, I can't stand breezy, but I'm hoping Dapper will stand up to it's deley.

dylunio

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"free-zombie" wrote:

I wonder now, have any of you ubuntu fanboys tried debian ?

No fanboys.

But you gotta good point. People who'd want to use an all keyboard driven distro would sure not mind debian either. It would be a good match.

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"dylunio" wrote:

Sounds like a great idea tbuitenh, it'll be nice to have a version of ubuntu for geeks. If it gets of the floor I might use it in my summer project.

dylunio

How about your winter project?

"free-zombie" wrote:

I wonder now, have any of you ubuntu fanboys tried debian ?

Yes. And what debian does, archlinux does better.

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*heh* I know I know you have to configure it the way you want, but requiring a little free will in a geek distro is the right path o.O

That's why this is a crazy idea.

Now the question is: would you like to use a preconfigured distro with a keyboard-driven desktop? Even if it uses the "wrong" wm? Even if it means you don't get any geek pride for configuring it all? Who else would use this? People who can't use a mouse because of a disability? People with sensory issues who have trouble reading a cluttered screen (to some extent, that includes me)?

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"tbuitenh" wrote:
"dylunio" wrote:

Sounds like a great idea tbuitenh, it'll be nice to have a version of ubuntu for geeks. If it gets of the floor I might use it in my summer project.

dylunio

How about your winter project?

Because that would be 9 or so months away and I'll be at school, in the summer I have time off.

"tbuitenh" wrote:

Now the question is: would you like to use a preconfigured distro with a keyboard-driven desktop? Even if it uses the "wrong" wm? Even if it means you don't get any geek pride for configuring it all? Who else would use this? People who can't use a mouse because of a disability? People with sensory issues who have trouble reading a cluttered screen (to some extent, that includes me)?

I'm not that fond of GUI, it's nice but it makes me rely on the mouse to much. A keybuntu may be usful for people who have problems with RSI due to the keyboard -> mouse -> keyboard movements.

CLI based distro's can also be used to alow people to learn to type - since they don't have a choice but use the kb.

dylunio

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I'm afraid I'm a mouse-addict. I like graphics and graphic design to an extent which pretty much ties me to GUIs and mouse.

But for the fun of it I'll probably at least give keybuntu a try. Smiling

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libervisco do all your graphics editing using imagemagick Laughing

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"dylunio" wrote:

libervisco do all your graphics editing using imagemagick Laughing

You are funny! :smt003

Nothing without inkscape and gimp for me. Eye

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Fair enough libervisco,

CLI actually does rock for me, it is the fast way to do anything, so if screenubuntu came forward, i would use it Smiling

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BTW, can I ask a question for the Screen addicts out there?

1) How do I share a screen with another SSH-logged in user so that he sees what I'm typing and has an option to type at the same time?

2) How do I share a screen with another SSH-logged in user so that he sees what I'm typing but cannot type at the same time, or vice-versa?

3) How do I have one screen session started in SSH, and then type some keystroke and start another screen session, with the option to flip back and forth between these?

If I had these in quickie tutorial, I think it would be really useful to me.

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I'm just a screen n00b who didn't need such advanced things yet. I'm sure they are possible because I read about them in the man page, but it would take me some looking up and experimenting to give good answers. If noone else replies soonish, I'll look it up for you.

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