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What is your take on e17 which is the newest enlightenment still in development?

I've tried the cvs version and I can definitely say I'm impressed by what I see. The most fascinating is that it doesn't even require graphic acceleration for all those flashy graphical feats and they still work so fast and still taking less memory than GNOME or KDE.

Functionality-wise it seems to be improving as well, but to be honest it does require some getting used to. The thing is though that getting used to this beauty might be so much easier with so much eye-popping eye candy feeding our senses. Smiling

How do you like it? When do you think e17 will be officially released? Do you or would you use it as your primary window manager? What do you like about it the most?

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I've never used it, but i've used Enlightenment DR16 (briefly) and seen a lot of pictures of DR17. From what i've seen it looks pretty solid, I definitly want to try it. Might even become my default wm.

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Actually, when I just looked at screenshots I didn't really know what's the fuss all about. It was the nice gold color, but it still didn't impress me that much.

I had to install and really try and experience it to see the whole picture, the thing is alive. Smiling

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I have been using Enlightenment DR17 for several days now and I am very impressed. For now it looks that DR17 is here to stay as my primary window manager.

Eye candy is great and very fast - you see it but you don't feel any performance impact. Very good.

One of things that I missed at first was the ability to configure keyboard shortcuts. I found out later that there is no GUI frontend to configure them yet, but you can configure them through enlightenment_remote command with a bit of work in terminal. Now I configured them to be the way I'm used to so I feel completely at home.

Also, configuring your menus is a bit confusing at first, but there are tools (e_util_eapp_edit and entangle) which make things much easier.

Although it is a development release, it is very fast, stable and reliable, as long as you stay away from its file manager (Main menu -> Files).

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I've been using it for a couple of months now, and I'm quite happy with it. The stability seems a bit worse, but you have to try hard to make it crash. The filemanager is still pretty useless, except for causing e17 to hang and crash Eye .
Compared to e16, e17 really flies, and actually it's a totally different window manager.

To answer the questions:

How do you like it? - it's wonderful
When do you think e17 will be officially released? - august 2007
Do you or would you use it as your primary window manager? - I do
What do you like about it the most? - EDIT MODE!!!!

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Jeez, August 2007! Shock

I have used it a few times, and like the fact that the eye candy is, well, WOW, and the fact it is quite lightweight for what it is. I have to say though, sometimes it does come over a little over the top :S

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It's sure a pioneer for eye candy. I don't think anyone knows how it will compare to other DEs at the first stable release. For now I <3 my KDE Smiling

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2007? Ah well, the thing about Enlightenment that I heard is that it is always in development. Laughing out loud

That apparently doesn't mean it isn't suitable for everday use..

Oh and I love that edit mode as well. Smiling

I don't use e17 yet (using GNOME right now), but I'll have to look for the latest CVS version and try that. Maybe I stick with it. Smiling

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Edit mode is sure one of it's biggest assets, I think if it was put on other DE's it would be excellent, E17 is on the GNU right?

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I don't know if this will be useful to anyone, but here is how I solved a problem:

I got the latest enlightenment build for archlinux by foinix today. Lots of new stuff to play around with, and I espelially like the new module configuration thing. When I tried to disable the system monitor module (after having enabled it and not liking it enough to keep it), enlightenment crashed. I logged back in, tried again, same thing. Tried to disable it from a terminal window, same thing again. After deleting ~/.e/e/config/default/module.monitor.cfg (obviously not while running enlightenment), then logging in, I could disable that module. The configuration file just reappeared, so no harm done.

Maybe it's not very subtle, but deleting configuration files often works to get things to work again... A bit like rebooting windows Laughing

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Yeah that's probably because misconfiguration often causes problems (not neccesserily a misconfiguration done by user). Deleting it should just restore everything.

And it's much sexier than restarting windows.. (er.. why was the word "sexier" on my mind) Laughing out loud

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"libervisco" wrote:

(er.. why was the word "sexier" on my mind) Laughing out loud

Because you're talking about enlightenment Wink .

By the way, what's up with the aardvarks? In older e17s the about window said (IIRC) "please, think of the aardvarks, they need some love too!", and the about window of the default theme still says "Aardvarks!!!" in almost unreadable grey and tiny font.

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I went and emerged E17 CVS this morning, and it's great. It has a lot of improvments over E16, which I found irritable more than fun. But E17 is very close to true enlightenment, one must commend Rastaman and his team.

It seems fast, sleek, and very polished, it's a WM, but it doesn't look like one, so it's light, and looks good.

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It's Rasterman not Rastaman :smt043

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"tbuitenh" wrote:

It's Rasterman not Rastaman :smt043

/me can't spell.

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I just tried the latest e17 available in an arch repository Taco told me about and its awesome I gotta say. It seems really stable (despite their warning that it isn't) and I love the new run command feature which I've been missing last time I tried it.

It also has an improved control panel now and other configuration boxes which have bunch of cool options to explore. And I don't even need to mention the looks. Smiling

Some things I miss though is tiling windows in such a way to allow panel to still show, and a little bit of desktop, something like xfce4 has. Instead when I maximize a window it goes full screen and I have to switch to another workspace to get to the desktop, panel, Ibox and therefore anything that needs clicking on them to access.

Is maybe there a way to set this up somehow?

Also, there must be a keyboard shortcut for "run command". On xfce4, GNOME and KDE it is alt-f2, but in e17 this will lead me to the workspace 2 instead. I guess I'll have to learn e17 keyboard shortcuts..

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I really gotta put E on my machine, is it much slower than Fluxbox? or how is it speed wise?

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"onlinebacon" wrote:

I really gotta put E on my machine, is it much slower than Fluxbox? or how is it speed wise?

It's like Flux on grease, I can't wait until it's stable.

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Ooh great, Im gonna put it on my machine then.

Is there a way to install a program once on a machine which has two unix based os's, openbsd and solaris, cos i have a feeling i would have a lot of wasted space, would it work if i just put it in /home?

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e17 is very fast, which is incredible considering all the bells and whistles, animations and graphics that it has. They've done a miracle at getting all that to work so speedy and flawlessly without needing ANY 3D acceleration.

So it's pretty much as fast as fluxbox I'd say.

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libervisco:
configuration panel -> window manipulation settings -> maximize policy

onlinebacon:
Those cannot run each others binaries. I think both openbsd and solaris are able to run linux binaries, but I guess that's going to take away some speed and stability. A possible solution is to compile for both OSes, and have /usr/local/bin mounted on different partitions for each (or different symlinks, I don't care what way you like to organize stuff for your multiboot). That way only the binaries will not be shared, which saves the space of all themes and stuff.

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Cool, thanks tbuuitenh, I'll give it a ttry Smiling

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"tbuitenh" wrote:

libervisco:
configuration panel -> window manipulation settings -> maximize policy

Oh, I should have looked better. That's awesome. E17 rocks! Smiling Thanks alot.

"Fill available space" option was what I needed.

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Some tips

In enlightenment, you can both disable and unload modules. There is a difference: disabled modules don't do anything, but they do use memory, and they can easily be enabled from the menu. Unloaded modules don't use memory, but you need the configuration panel to enable them (or of course the enlightenment_remote command)
The less modules you load (doesn't matter if they are enabled or not), the faster enlightenment starts. You might also want to disable that startup animation by the way. (configuration panel -> startup settings)

This is my module configuration:

[taco@garden ~]$ enlightenment_remote -module-list
REPLY <- BEGIN
REPLY: "ibar" ENABLED 1
REPLY: "ibox" ENABLED 1
REPLY: "dropshadow" ENABLED 1
REPLY: "cpufreq" ENABLED 1
REPLY: "pager" ENABLED 1
REPLY: "randr" ENABLED 1
REPLY: "itray" ENABLED 1
REPLY <- END

I guess itray (system tray) is not loaded by default because it is still new, however I really need a systemtray so I'm willing to take the risk of imaginary unstability Rolling Eyes . I unloaded pretty much everything else.

I find it very convenient if windows get raised after I point at them for a while. 1.6 seconds is perfect. You can set this delay in
configuration panel -> window manipulation -> advanced -> autoraise

The enlightenment cursor looks a bit prettier if you make it slightly smaller. Or maybe you'd like to shock your friends with a huge cursor:
configuration panel -> cursor settings -> advanced

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Great tips, thanks.

I have unloaded battery, temperature and cpufreq modules as I don't find them too useful here although that probably wont save that much of memory. Laughing out loud

Oh and you're right about the smaller mouse. I reduced it as well. Smiling

I'm gonna fiddle around all those options to make it perfect, but from what I see, I see alot of reasons to stay with it..

I just wonder how many more years will pass since e17 developers make this an official release. Smiling Not that it matters, sicne this is very good and usable already. Smiling

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They have august 2007 as a target Smiling

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When I said "august 2007", that was a joke. It would be funny if the developers would actually start saying it will be released then... but AFAIK they didn't.

I think there will be a release sometime this year, unless they plan to add many many many more features. We'll see.

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"libervisco" wrote:

Also, there must be a keyboard shortcut for "run command". On xfce4, GNOME and KDE it is alt-f2, but in e17 this will lead me to the workspace 2 instead. I guess I'll have to learn e17 keyboard shortcuts..

It's alt+esc . I just found out by running
enlightenment_remote -binding-key-list | less

Check out
enlightenment_remote -help | less
It's unbelievable how much can be done with it.

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Will I be able to use the extra keys I have on my keyboard (not multimedia) but sun type5-c unix ones?

That would be awesome

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I don't know. All documentation I have is "enlightenment_remote -help" :-( .

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Thanks for that additional tip Taco. The "alt-esc" keyboard shortcut seems fairly close to "alt-f2" I've gotten used to.

I don't run E17 exlusively though. I keep switching between E17, KDE3.5 and Xfce4 depending on what fits my current mood. Laughing out loud

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