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Surfing through the upcoming stories on digg.com I found this blog entry: "Is Linux.org hurting Linux?".

That site was already mentioned before as an inadequate resource for new GNU/Linux users. So I thought I'd shift your attention to this story. It could be good to digg it to shift some attention to the problem. And I have already posted a comment on it mentioning GetGNULinux.org as an alternative site. Eye

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excellent argument

Thanks for pointing to this libervisco. I immediately jumped on it and the associated blog entry.
The obvious problem is that it will inevitably generate a certain amount of flaming, as with all distro wars. But it might be a good way to get the website to be better known.
In one month or so, I will deploy quite a lot of effort on spreading the site - right now what we need is better infrastructure, in my opinion.

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Yes...

...Linux.org does hurt the Linux community for sure. The most neutral (IMHO, feel free to disagree) site I link to is Wikipedia's GNU/Linux page.

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speaking of neutral, that

speaking of neutral, that wikipedia page seams to link to linux.org...

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I added a link to

I added a link to GetGNULinux.org in an "external links" section on that page, but someone apparently removed it afterwards... I wonder why.. Puzzled

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re Wikipedia Linux article
libervisco wrote:

I added a link to GetGNULinux.org in an "external links" section on that page, but someone apparently removed it afterwards... I wonder why.. Puzzled

This article has always been extremely controversial. Just look at the history, it changes a million times a day with most changes being argued about, flamed, etc. The GNU/Linux world is so diverse and full of cleavages that this article is an obvious victim. I first had a look at it a year ago and today it's still not very welcoming for the average Windows user.
Thanks for the link... I jumped on my seat when I saw it on the page (got to see it before it went...)

Also, just to say that the "Linux.org hurting" digg was pretty effective... it threw 1200 hits at GetGnuLinux.org Smiling

Olivier.

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Oh I didn't know it was so

Oh I didn't know it was so harsh out there..

Anyway, good to see that people noticed that comment about GetGNULinux.org on that digg. Smiling They also had quite a bit to say about it, from good things to criticism and maybe some suggestions. Comments are worth checking out.

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There is a follow up to this

There is a follow up to this whole story about Linux.org: http://agolb.blogspot.com/2006/09/is-linuxorg-hurting-linux-part-2.html

It's quite interesting and I would say sheds some light on the whole issue. Some things I found most interesting is that Linux.org doesn't want to run Microsoft advertising and think that it is better to run gambling ads than that. I can certainly appreciate their unwillingness to run MS ads, but I find it odd that they couldn't find ad sponsors from some GNU/Linux companies like RedHat, Novell and 2X whose ads are running on many other GNU/Linux sites. Couldn't those be well enough to cover their costs?

I can certainly understand the advertising problem and relate to it as I am selling advertising on Libervis Network as well, but we have a policy here that pretty much filters out not only Microsoft and proprietary software ads, but gambling and porn as well so I pretty much end up with either FOSS related ads or those for some general topics.

Also, the webmaster claims that because there is no scientific proof that new GNU/Linux users are turned off by Linux.org as it currently is we cannot claim that this is so. The thing is that there actually is at least a bit of proof to that like in this article where a guy explicitely mentions Linux.org as not very helpful. And besides I think it's kind of a common sense that the current Linux.org design just doesn't appeal. The blogger is right to compare it to Apple and Microsoft sites. Just because we think these companies are evil or whatever doesn't mean that we don't have to look at their sites and take a few hints. Design and appeal matter ALOT. In some cases it is the deciding factor for wether the visitor will stick to the site or not. IMHO Apple.com is the best example of an attractive homepage for an operating system and/or platform. It's not a sin to look up to that.

Anyway, from what I read the webmaster promises some changes and redesign which means that if they actually make good on that promise the relevance of GetGNULinux.org may decrease. But to be honest, I seriously doubt it. GetGNULinux.org is years ahead! Smiling

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That is definately an

That is definately an interesting follow up

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re: linux.org
libervisco wrote:

Anyway, from what I read the webmaster promises some changes and redesign which means that if they actually make good on that promise the relevance of GetGNULinux.org may decrease. But to be honest, I seriously doubt it. GetGNULinux.org is years ahead! Smiling

I pretty much agree with you on that Smiling
This nevertheless brings up the following (important) thing: GetGNULinux.org is CC-Attribution licensed. It could be anything-else licensed, but I thought from the start it would still be better to have people like these guys copy the content off, distort it, add advertising and make some living out of it, rather than not at all. That's the point behind the licensing.
GNU/Linux or Linux as they like to call it, needs a big push, right now.
As much as I rejoice daily over the success of GetGNULinux.org, and would somehow frown at its traffic losing to linux.org, I still deeply believe it would be better than nothing at all.

All in all, let's hope they copy off the content of GetGNULinux.org. I doubt they would do this; just having your site filled with gambling ads shows some disdain for morality (as well as failure to do really good work).

Olivier.

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Well they would have to

Well they would have to attribute GetGNULinux.org if they put some of the GetGNULinux.org content on it. This would promote GetGNULinux.org and once people see that it doesn't have so many ads as Linux.org they may be willing to go there instead.

So it is indeed a good decision to use CC Attributions Sharealike license. Smiling

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