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libervisco's picture
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You have probably noticed that there is an "up and down" widget on forum posts, stories and comments that adds or substracts points assigned to a certain post. This is just a testing feature at this point and is no guarantee it would stay.

The general ideas is to simply implement some kind of a rating capability to our content that would allow users to rate certain posts, topics and even articles per their usefulness and helpfulness and according to that push it either towards a special section or even to the homepage for others to see.

I would simply like to hear your opinions on that idea and the current implementation in form of those "reddit/digg"-like style up & down buttons.

There is an another possibility, maybe less "trendy" so to speak, but still possibly well efficient for this purpose. Instead of having up & and ratings like this, we can have a simple "from 1 to 10" type of ratings where you basically just give a post certain score. This can then be calculated and the posts with best scores can again be propagated to a special section or homepage.

Another feature that I am thinking about is user points. On this site, post count doesn't really make much of a difference, which might not be a problem. However, maybe it would be good if we could have, as an incentive, an alternative points system of some kind. With such a system you would get a few points for starting a new forum topic, even more for submitting an article and at least one point for just writing a post/comment etc. The purpose is to reward users that contribute most, and not to boost any egos or place ones above others. It would be about simple incentive and reward system. Actions would be taken against abuse, of course.

So, again, I am asking for your opinion on the following:

1) Rating of posts (yes or no)
- with "up and down" points system (posts with most points get propagated) or
- with "from 1 to 10" score rating system (best scored get propagated)

The purpose: promote most valuable and helpful postings.

2) User points system (yes or no)
- fixed points per action (i.e. 1 point per comment, 5 for a forum topic, 20 for submitting an article)
- reputation system (users give points to other users to express their appreciation for help)

The purpose: incenting contributions and rewarding best contributors.

Your opinion is appreciated!

Thank you

Daniel

EDIT: Added the option of reputation system above.

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These up and down arrows are

These up and down arrows are nice and simple, however I would put them in a different place, next to the points counter. They should definitely be at the end of the post, because you can't rate before reading, and you might forget to vote after reading a post so long the buttons aren't on screen anymore.

My first impression was they meant "go to previous/next post" so I couldn't resist clicking one. That was confusing!

A 1...10 rating system is a less good idea, the 7 of one is the 9 of another, and you can't expect everyone to rate everything. Besides, there will be confusion because some will think 1 is best and others will think 10 is best.

User points... I'm against that. If your posts get lots of points, that should be rewarding enough.

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yeah, couldn't resist

yeah, couldn't resist clicking either. the up and down arrows are nice, but maybe should be more like and or somwthing... to make clear what they mean

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What if the frontpage

What if the frontpage started with a small, reddit.com kind of look and beneath that showed the published articles?

And what if you had a forum where one could blog about the linux news that interfaced with this? Yes, this site isn't about news primarily, but not only is it inevitable, it is a way to bring in eyeballs.

Oh, and wouldn't it be cool if lxer.com became a libervis network partner?

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I think it is a good idea,

I think it is a good idea, but maybe not for posts inside a topic. More on articles.

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Especially technical FLOSS

Especially technical FLOSS news would fit Nuxified very well. The philosphical and legal stuff belongs on libervis, and the rest of it (company X buys company Y and such)... well we don't really need that anywhere.

I agree it should be put in articles not forums. 

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thanks for opinions...
tbuitenh wrote:

These up and down arrows are nice and simple, however I would put them in a different place, next to the points counter.

Yes, that's what I thought. They're kind of intruding as they are now. I'm not sure how good would it look at the end of a post when displayed on homepage and articles though.. there's certainly some hacking to do to make it look right..

tbuitenh wrote:

User points... I'm against that. If your posts get lots of points, that should be rewarding enough.

What about user reputation points instead of fixed ones per action? Or you're against user points entirely? I suppose that with a post rating system maybe we could do without it. What do others think of that?

free-zombie wrote:

yeah, couldn't resist clicking either. the up and down arrows are nice, but maybe should be more like and or somwthing... to make clear what they mean

That's a good idea. It should be small and clear though, easy to fit in a little box. It's just a matter of replacing images that currently make up that up'n down button. Smiling

supermike wrote:

What if the frontpage started with a small, reddit.com kind of look and beneath that showed the published articles?

I think that should be possible. It's a matter of creating a block and putting it on the homepage stickied above all else. The block would show posts with most points at a given time and would be replaced as new posts gain alot of points too.

supermike wrote:

And what if you had a forum where one could blog about the linux news that interfaced with this? Yes, this site isn't about news primarily, but not only is it inevitable, it is a way to bring in eyeballs.

Drupal has a multiuser blogging module that can be used for that. All registered users can be given right to blog. It wouldn't exactly be part of the forums, but I think it's better that way anyway. And yes, this up'n down button works on all node types and would include blogs too. It's a nice idea.. something to consider. Smiling

supermike wrote:

Oh, and wouldn't it be cool if lxer.com became a libervis network partner?

We already have a link exchange for Libervis.com. I've been meaning to ask for same for Nuxified.org as well. As for anything further, I'm not sure.. we'd have to have something compelling enough to offer to get the same from them.

AndrewB wrote:

I think it is a good idea, but maybe not for posts inside a topic. More on articles.

You mean the blog idea above?

tbuitenh wrote:

Especially technical FLOSS news would fit Nuxified very well. The philosphical and legal stuff belongs on libervis, and the rest of it (company X buys company Y and such)... well we don't really need that anywhere.

I agree. I think though that news about companies buying each other can be interesting sometimes as it sometimes gives clues as to what is happening in the Free Software field. But if it starts to lean more towards political stuff around that then that too would fit Libervis.com mostly. This site is, again, a tech support site for Free Software as defined by the FSF. Eye

tbuitenh wrote:

I agree it should be put in articles not forums.

You mean blogs idea?

OK, so there's alot going for us here. This post rating system may prove to be an excellent attraction for new Nuxified.org members. It's an incentive of a kind to contribute and participate, and can "weed" out best of breed (most useful) stuff to the spotlight.

More opinions are welcome!

Thank you

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I'm against user points.

I'm against user points. Period.

And yes, the bloggish thing could use the articles, but the blog module would work fine too I guess. What are the differences between those?

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Sure Taco. No user points

Sure Taco. No user points then if others agree too. Smiling

The blog module is just like articles, but with a few of blog specific features. It's pretty universal so the difference isn't big, but is best to use that instead of articles (which are powered by the story module) as it is the tool meant for that job. Smiling

Btw, I'm trying to get nodes with certain amount of points to promote to homepage. It doesn't appear it would be a special block, but would instead display among other stuff on homepage, mixed. Homepage is actually a portal to the best stuff Nuxified.org offers so I think that should be fine..

One limitation though is that comments as such (which includes forum replies made to the topic starter) can't be promoted to homepage. I just tried to create an action that would do that after an amount of points is awarded a post, but it's not yet possible. (Action is from an actions module - it executes certain actions if set conditions are met).

It may however be possible in the future as the interesting new module called "customvote" is in development that would allow this among many other voting/rating schemes.

But we gotta start somewhere, right? Smiling

Cheers
Daniel

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I've moved the rating box

I've moved the rating box (up and down) to the right on forums so that they don't annoyingly intrude the post.

On comments and articles, blogs, polls etc. it is still on the left. The module uses some rather obscure way of positioning it that I haven't yet figured out and therefore can't yet move below the content next to the point count. I think this should be fairly alright for now though. Maybe some of you even like it the way it is now?

I'll probably also change arrows to something smaller and possibly clearer to understand, as free-zombie suggested.

So, besides this rating system and a few rather minor issues (such as with "read" markings not showing on forum index sometimes) I think the site is basically ready to go out of "beta" stage and the relaunch to be announced. I hope to do this by this weeks end. Improvements are, of course, always possible and even "on the fly" testing of some features without endangering the stability of the whole site, but the site as a whole doesn't have to be marked as "beta" just for those things. We can just mark those specific things as something that is being tested at any point, so people can know that when they use it.

We have functional forums, articles system, blogs, screenshots gallery, set up categories and forums, voting system that works at least for giving points to posts, recent posts, unanswered posts, subscriptions, etc.. so I'd say we're pretty much there. Smiling

What do you think of the overall state right now?

Thank you
Daniel

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Overall it looks good. The

Overall it looks good. The position of the rating box is good enough, it just needs to be replaced by up and down thumbs of about the same size.

libervisco's picture
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even smaller
tbuitenh wrote:

Overall it looks good. The position of the rating box is good enough, it just needs to be replaced by up and down thumbs of about the same size.

Yes.. I actually thought of making them even smaller than the current size, but just about right to be recognized. Think those very small thumb buttons on digg.com comments.

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