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Nuxified.com to merge with Nuxified.org

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I have been trying to think of something really cool and exciting for Nuxified.com that hasn't been done before and that would attract alot of people to it, be useful to the community and still reuse existing content that we have there.

However, that is proving to be a very difficult task. Even I could think of something so unique and cool, it would probably be hard to reuse existing content for that particular idea. Another problem is the similarity of the two names, Nuxified.com and Nuxified.org. If I would ever think of something unique enough, it should probably deserve a whole different domain name. Nuxified.com just ends up being identified with these forums.

So, it strikes me almost as logical to attempt to merge the two sites into a single interoperating entity. Present Nuxified.com articles would automatically add up to what we have here on Nuxified.org already and vice versa. I think we can also use the drupal system for publishing these articles, and modify the looks of it to fit Nuxified Forums here. If you want tech support you go to ONE and only "Nuxified" site. If you want to read and write articles, tutorials and reviews, you again go to Nuxified site. If you want to upload screenshots, show off your GNU/Linux desktop and talk about your GNU/Linux experiences, again, Nuxified you are and the Nuxified site is at your service. Eye

No more confusion, no more pretending, no more splits.

Why this all of a sudden? Well, Nuxified.com has been standing still for some time and I haven't yet been able to find the greatest idea for its revival, while in its current form it seems too non-differentiating. On the other hand we have Nuxified.org forums here who desperately need some kind of push. Well.. maybe Nuxified.com should be it.

I welcome any comments at this idea and any feedback whatsoever.

Thank you
Daniel

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I think merging Nuxified.com and Nuxified.org is a good idea.
On a german forum I'm active we're doing a similar thing. Right now we just have the forum, vBulletin, which holds everything, normal posts and also tutorials.
To have some better presentation for the tutorials and also offer some other stuff we want to utilize Drupal. So it's a similar situation, only that you already have Drupal up and running.
The nice thing about Drupal and vBulletin is that there's a vB-version of Drupal, which makes some things a little easier.

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vBulletin is proprietary software so for this site it is out of the question. However, there is an integration module for phpbb for drupal as well which allows sharing of user accounts across drupal and phpbb. It's not full integration, and the drupal page says it is one of the ones harder to maintain, but it shouldn't be any harder than maintaining a separate phpbb installation and drupal at the same time anyway. This is the module page: http://drupal.org/node/32818

Drupal actually has its own forum module which is recommended for use and they say comes close to phpbb with features if you install all the equivalent modules. They also offer conversion from phpbb to that. So, it could be something I would test locally to see just how far does it go featurewise. If I am impressed enough I might show it off and maybe we could completely migrate to drupal then (no phpbb).

Otherwise I think the phpbb and drupal integration using the mentioned module shouldn't be a big problem, especially since the integration module seems well supported and actively developed.

Another thing we should ultimately have to choose now is an official domain name for the new Nuxified site. Would it be Nuxified.org or Nuxified.com? One of these two would stay parked and another would be actively used. We also have NuxifiedForums.org that is meant to point directly to forum index omitting the homepage. Smiling

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Just mentioned vB so that you have a little overview of what's going on there. Anyway, I'm not really in charge there, just mod. And it's not a pure Linux/FLOSS forum so I think it doesn't matter there that vB isn't FLOSS.
To have a good look around I also had Drupal running on my box for a while, I think the forum-module is quite nice and should offer what we need.

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Yep.. I am just looking over what can be done with an actual official drupal forum module and it seems that we can make it look however we want, even to look like a real phpbb. Smiling

For example look at what this guy done with it. Yes, it's a built in drupal forum module made to look like a real forum! Laughing out loud

So, if you customize it's looks to be like that using the flatforum drupal module with some design customizations, couples with all the features that drupal does offer with its modules I think almost no feature that we have on standalone phpbb would be missing.

The guy who made the drupal forum to look like that on the above link says:

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A lot of the stuff you want like showing top members, showing posting stats, PM, website, quote, signatures is all in Drupal and it's just a matter of displaying it in the right place.

That's what I mean. It's all there, and if you want the forum to look like phpbb, you just need to modify the style and put the buttons in right places linking to right places in drupal. Smiling

So I think it is definitely one route to consider, alternatively to the not-as-recommended (by its developer) integration of phpbb with drupal I've mentioned.

Some other examples of how can a drupal forum look like:

http://gallery.menalto.com/forum
http://www.terminus1525.ca/forum
http://typophile.com/forums

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I think nuxified.org should be the official name, since .com sounds more for-profit instead of community driven. I would let .com point to a warning page with a single link to .org on it, then drop .com after a year.

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The problem is that Nuxified.com URL's now have a good rank and traffic to it that would be pitty to waste, so either we should redirect all .com URL's to .org equivalents or keep both active at the same time (actually, when a domain is parked it does remain active for it's URL's, but it only doesn't remember your session, so if you're logged in with .org, you'd not be logged in with .com).

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Well hopefully it should get some popularity Smiling
I see this as good as they are too alike, but make a back up of .com so that if we ever get a bit bigger and there is a call for it then we have it. It is a very nice site.

Im sorry to hear it as it must be a stab libervisco but should be for the best eh?

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Hey, what we have at .com is not going away! Laughing out loud

This is a merge, not replacing one site with another. Since the content already in Nuxified.com is similar and covers a very similar topic, it can stay. I might only just remove the "story links" section if we don't find a way to make use of that, but present stories (testimonials) and reviews as well as screenshots are staying. Smiling

We will just put the articles from Nuxified.org into drupal system running at Nuxified.com and redirect present article URL's to point there so that we don't loose their popularity and traffic that may be getting to it (especially after those diggings).

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hmm what do people think about the nuxifed.com header on nuxified.org, ob change the links to suit, and im aware it is a a large but it does look great...
Any1?

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"AndrewB" wrote:

hmm what do people think about the nuxifed.com header on nuxified.org, ob change the links to suit, and im aware it is a a large but it does look great...
Any1?

I also like it. My idea is to have the design of the Nuxified site be sort of a hybrid between current .org theme and the current .com theme. I'd call that a "BlueTango" theme. Smiling It basically means that there would be more blues around, but still using Tango icons and some Tango colors.

Of course, I welcome suggestions on that.

Btw, since we are about to have drupal part of the new site I'd like to recap on the options we have in regard to how will current phpbb installation fit drupal. So here are our options:

1.) Leave both separate and use drupal as merely a portal and an article system - In this case the main action would still go on in phpbb, but there would be no integration. If you want to have a drupal account you wouldn't be stopped, but the login would be different. The drupal would be designed to fit the looks of this phpbb installation, but wouldn't serve as nothing else, but a separate portal and articles system. Of course, no integration is the biggest con of this option. However the advantage is that no conversion of hacky integration would be attempted so therefore no risks and maintanance costs of any kind would be introduced.

2.) Integrate phpbb to drupal - This might sound ideal to many as it would mean having phpbb as you see it while still being able to login to drupal with the same login info. The problem with this though is that the integration would be rather hacky and risky, and I'm not even sure it would even be reliable to do considering that we have to transfer users from phpbb to drupal instead of vice versa for which the integration module was developed. So the advantage of this option is obviously ability to use full featured phpbb forums and log in with same usename/password in drupal as well. The disadvantage, however, is that it is quite risky, hacky and harder to maintain.

3.) Convert from phpbb to drupal forums completely - This basically means sucking everything from phpbb into drupal and dumping phpbb. Then we would not have two installations, but only one; drupal. This is technically an ideal option because then the maintanance is fully on drupal, there is no dirty hacks and thing should just work. Drupal forums are initialy rather minimal, but can be made to look and feel alot like phpbb. Almost all features (and in some ways possibly more) that you had in phpbb would probably be possible, so the only thing is you'd have to get used to a bit different way of managing your accounts. This might seem slightly progressive, but in my honest opinion would end up in an awesome Free Software community site with features better integrated than anything phpbb mods can do. The advantage of this is apparently the unified install, alot of possibilities for various features within drupal itself and the fact it would make us quite unique in the Free Software support sites game. The disadvantage is that some people may not like the drupal style.

My bias might be obvious. Puzzled Yes, I do favor the third option because it is technically the cleanest and bears most extensibility potential, but I'll let you post what you think should be best.

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Daniel

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I would go for 3.), as it is the most complete solution and I don't think that it will be a problem to get used to it. And going with one installation instead of two sounds like less problems and downtime to me.

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Take the path of least user annoyance, and then the cleanest implementation. I think that's 3. Also, drupal has something to share accounts across sites, right? That could prove useful in the future.

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"tbuitenh" wrote:

Take the path of least user annoyance, and then the cleanest implementation. I think that's 3. Also, drupal has something to share accounts across sites, right? That could prove useful in the future.

Yes, you can use existing drupal ID's to login to other drupal sites. Smiling

I'm exploring a bit the third option now. The conversion script is there and it should be no problem importing everything from phpbb to drupal. After the conversion we would see where we are and gradually add features that we need.

I'm also looking into some design improvements for it.

Anyone else?

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Sounds cool, though I like phpBB, I don't see why durpal wouldn't do a grand job.

dylunio

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1. What happened to Quicksilver?
2. Domain should be nuxified.com(munity)

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Idea

I think merging the two sites is an excellent idea! However, I'd hate to see the phpbb dropped. The Drupal forums aren't nearly as nice to look at or use.

Isn't there some way to have both? Such as sharing the user DB to prevent the multiple logins?

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"a thing" wrote:

1. What happened to Quicksilver?

It doesn't integrate with drupal. Otherwise it would be a good alternative.

"a thing" wrote:

2. Domain should be nuxified.com(munity)

Well now that's something to vote on since some say .org and some say .com. I think both would be good. In either case, both would point to the same site though only one would be officially used.

"dotmil" wrote:

I think merging the two sites is an excellent idea! However, I'd hate to see the phpbb dropped. The Drupal forums aren't nearly as nice to look at or use.

Actually I think drupal forums can look quite good and be quite featureful. Have you seen those links I posted previously? They can be made to look like phpbb, even if not feeling exactly like it. And the great advantage is the most seamless integration with other parts of the site than can ever be achieved by phpbb hacks.

I am currently testing it out, building it up locally just to see how far can it be pushed. I will then put that on the web in a subfolder and show it off to you guys so you can see what would it look and feel like. If there's no way most of you would accept that well then I guess we'll have to drop the whole drupal forum idea and stick to whatever we can do with phpbb.

"dotmil" wrote:

Isn't there some way to have both? Such as sharing the user DB to prevent the multiple logins?

Yes, but it is not recommended by the developer of the module that is supposed to maintain shared user accounts between drupal and phpbb. As he says, it is probably the hardest module to maintain. So it doesn't really appear to be the ideal option, but if nothing else would work (that is the drupal forum option) then I guess we'll have to go with that.

Thanks
Daniel

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I think I don't understand your question Alex....

Guys, the test installation of drupal for new Nuxified.org is here! Feel free to test it out and post feedback.

Not though that it is only temporary and still not full featured so if you don't see a feature that you think should be there, chance is that it just isn't implemented yet, but IS possible and will be implemented in an official installation that should come this week.

Of course, do post about features you would like and don't see them there, for the record. Smiling Any feedback is welcome!

Cheers
Daniel

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Ok guys
Please post any suggestions here

Have fun

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