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At first moment of finding out about it from digg I thought they are competitors to GetGNULinux.org, but after reading their announcement I think they really want to compliment GetGNULinux.org, which I think is a good thing.

They even show the GGL banner so that should prove that they mean it.

Here's a quote from the announcement:

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We want PolishLinux.org to be the vortal you can point to your friends who want to taste Linux but don’t know how to start. GetGnuLinux.org folks tell you why you should do it. We tell you how to do it, without the ideology involved.

I'm just not sure what "vortal" means and I can't yet tell how far exactly do they go at not involving ideology, but in essence it should be a good complementary resource so I'd say more power to them. They've got some nice tools there for newbies.

What would be best now is to initiate some sort of cooperation with them.

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Heh, the URL made me expect

Heh, the URL made me expect the Linux user group from Poland.

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That looks like a pretty

That looks like a pretty cool site, a bit busy [cluttered] but nice all the same. I would maybe contact getgnulinux.org first and ask if he has any objections first, though nuxified.org is not his site, the site is very friendly with this one.

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from poland indeed
tbuitenh wrote:

Heh, the URL made me expect the Linux user group from Poland.

Actually I think the founder is from Poland and the site on which he based PolishLinux.org was in polish (GNU/Linux support site as it seems). Smiling

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Hello guys,I've just

Hello guys,

I've just noticed this post in our website statistics so this is how I got redirected here. I can see there is some descussion about PolishLinux here so I'd like to clarify a few things since I'm a co-founder of that website.

A) No we are not going to compete with any Linux site. There's no reason for competition. Cooperation is much better. Particularily, we like the GetGnuLinux.org idea a lot and I personally think it's currently the best site for someone who doesn't have the slightest idea about GNU/Linux but wants to try it.

B) We, as PolishLinux.org, have a different goal than GetGnuLinux.org, though. We want to show the newbies the key differences between major Linux and BSD flavors, making the choice easier. And later on, provide some step-by-step guide concerning installation, configuration and using GNU/Linux. The second part is being actively developed and we do need some help to make it as newbie-friendly as possible. We publish only original content, no news whatsoever (there are plenty of sites for that already). Once in a while we wish to publish an article targetted at an intermediate user as well (such as recent articles about SSH published on the vortal).

C) The thing with ideology looks like this: we want to make people switch to and use Linux because it's just a better OS. Not many people around the world care about freedom (as far as computing is concerned) - it is sad but true. And as we believe talking about the consequences of using non-free software is important (this is where GentGnuLinux does a great job), we don't want to mess with the ideology too much, meaning that we don't want it to be the first thing we point when explaining why it is good to use Linux and free software. Hope it's clarified now.

About cooperating with GetGnuLinux.org or Nuxified.org - why not? Don't know how it could look like, yet, but yes, I'm open for any ideas. We could i.e. have a list of current nuxified.org posts on our website (next to the "latest comments" column)... but this is something to think about.

And yes, I'm Polish and so it the whole polishlinux.org team, but we don't wish the vortal to be a national one. We already have a Polish version of it, called: jakilinux.org. It is pretty popular and successful in Poland so we thought - why not make it international? So we did Smiling

Best regards,
Borys Musielak
(polishlinux.org co-founder)

PS. libervisco: vortal is a vertical portal (a portal covering only one area, in our case GNU/Linux and FOSS). More info here: http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/V/vortal.html

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C) I have my worries about

C) I have my worries about separating ideology from technological superiority. Yes GNU/Linux is better than some other widely used operating system in a technical sense, but it is that way because it is free software. But there is a much more important benefit of using free software: it will never, ever hold your data hostage. Separate technology from ideology, and suddenly it seems "okay" to use proprietary software in combination with GNU/Linux. Besides, GNU/Linux can be polished because it gives you the freedom to polish it!

But I can see some cooperation possibilities. Getgnulinux could link to polishlinux as "examples of what you can do with the freedom", and polishlinux could link back with "what makes the polishing possible". And of course the nuxified help forums could provide help to users who have trouble polishing Smiling .

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free vs functional

tbuitenh - I perfectly understand the reasons why "free" in free software is important. We (as PolishLinux.org) just decided to emphasize the functionality and only mention the ideology, not vice versa. I think what most people expect from GNU/Linux is functionality. Only a few use a particular OS because of some ideas (which is bad but this is life). BTW, I'm also not a purist concerning free software. E.g. I use Opera for web browsing since it's just more convenient for me than Firefox.

About link exchange between GetGnuLinux.org and PolishLinux.org - no problem. Actually, we already have a GetGnuLinux banner and a link on the main page (See also).

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We obviously do have some

We obviously do have some differences of opinion regarding freedom vs. practicalities and convenience, but that shouldn't stop us from cooperating where cooperation doesn't mean a compromise to each of ours ideals. Smiling

If we have common ground, and we do, we can work together to ultimately advance the world of GNU/Linux.

tbuitenh put it very nicely:

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But I can see some cooperation possibilities. Getgnulinux could link to polishlinux as "examples of what you can do with the freedom", and polishlinux could link back with "what makes the polishing possible". And of course the nuxified help forums could provide help to users who have trouble polishing Smiling .

Now, I'm looking forward to what Olivier says to this. Smiling

michuk wrote:

About cooperating with GetGnuLinux.org or Nuxified.org - why not? Don't know how it could look like, yet, but yes, I'm open for any ideas. We could i.e. have a list of current nuxified.org posts on our website (next to the "latest comments" column)... but this is something to think about.

I'm interested in that. But we should offer something back in exchange that would be significant enough to equal putting our newest posts in a block of PolishLinux.org. Any ideas? We already have a link exchange.

michuk wrote:

PS. libervisco: vortal is a vertical portal (a portal covering only one area, in our case GNU/Linux and FOSS). More info here: http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/V/vortal.html

Thanks. Nuxified.org is actually a vortal then because it isn't general purpose (like Yahoo). Smiling

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The "ideology" in some sense

The "ideology" in some sense is all about functionality, or actually the absence of disfunctionality (is that a word?). A "30 day trial" stops being functional after 30 days. Software with an "enforced revokable license" stops being functional at the whim of the author. And last but not least a lot of the functionality of free software exists because someone was free to add it.

The "ideology" is NOT about creating a virtual anarchist state on the net or some similar nonsense. It is not something that should be hidden, like some "open sourcers" believe. It's about being in control of your own computer, and about being allowed to cooperate with others.

I know your site is about what can be done with GNU/Linux, and not about WHY it can be done. And having such sites is very important. I'm happy you don't try to hide the ideology.

And make no mistake, users do care about the ideology. Many will ask "If GNU/Linux is so great, how can it possibly be free (as in free beer)? Is it one of those tricks that will make me pay a lot once I become dependent on this software?"

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cooperation (continued)
libervisco wrote:
michuk wrote:

About cooperating with GetGnuLinux.org or Nuxified.org - why not? Don't know how it could look like, yet, but yes, I'm open for any ideas. We could i.e. have a list of current nuxified.org posts on our website (next to the "latest comments" column)... but this is something to think about.

I'm interested in that. But we should offer something back in exchange that would be significant enough to equal putting our newest posts in a block of PolishLinux.org. Any ideas? We already have a link exchange.

Maybe we could make a special forum for PolishLinux community of Nuxified, then? Same model as with GetGnuLinux.org. We need a forum anyways and otherwise I would probably set up a separate forum (in phpbb or something similar), just for our users to exchange thoughts. This is actually the case for the Polish version of the vortal (forum.jakilinux.org). But I think it's better to join than to create duplicate entities (for the sake of the users) and it can be to the benefit of both parties (our users will register on nuxified, nuxified users will visit polishlinux.org). Just a thought to consider.

PS. Also exchanging banners is a possibility (as soon as we have a banner Sticking out tongue)

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Tbuitenh, well said. I

Tbuitenh, well said. I couldn't say it better.

michuk wrote:

Maybe we could make a special forum for PolishLinux community of Nuxified, then? Same model as with GetGnuLinux.org.

I think that's a good idea.

Alternatively we could have this same forum for both sites if you and Olivier think that may be better. We'll have to see what Olivier has to say before doing anything, for fairness sake. Smiling

michuk wrote:

PS. Also exchanging banners is a possibility (as soon as we have a banner Sticking out tongue)

Current banners on Nuxified.org are powered by FOSSExchange.com which is an awesome banner exchange service for FOSS sites. I recommend you sign up there too. But for direct linking I can offer a small banner spot like the one for GetGNULinux.org at the bottom of the right sidebar. Smiling

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libervisco wrote:
michuk wrote:

Maybe we could make a special forum for PolishLinux community of Nuxified, then? Same model as with GetGnuLinux.org.

I think that's a good idea.

Alternatively we could have this same forum for both sites if you and Olivier think that may be better. We'll have to see what Olivier has to say before doing anything, for fairness sake. Smiling

Actually I see no good reasons to have it on one forum. I think having one forum for those 2 websites would introduce a lot of confusion. I'm not totally against it, but... it would be like creating one forum for 2 different linux distros Smiling

libervisco wrote:
michuk wrote:

PS. Also exchanging banners is a possibility (as soon as we have a banner Sticking out tongue)

Current banners on Nuxified.org are powered by FOSSExchange.com which is an awesome banner exchange service for FOSS sites. I recommend you sign up there too. But for direct linking I can offer a small banner spot like the one for GetGNULinux.org at the bottom of the right sidebar. Smiling

Ok, I noticed that just after asking the question. Well, then as soon as I have a banner I'll register on that site and send you the little one for the sidebar.

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that was me

OK, this was me of course. Just forgot to log in after coming back home.

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No problem. All sounds good

No problem. All sounds good to me. Smiling I'll create a forum tonight most likely. I don't think Olivier will mind it if we create an extra forum for PolishLinux.org.

If anyone else minds feel free to say now. Eye

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Problem being..
libervisco wrote:

If anyone else minds feel free to say now. Eye

Definetly got a massive problem with it....just kidding! Sticking out tongue

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PolishLinux forum created

Hehe AndrewB. Laughing out loud

PolishLinux.org forum has been created and here it is: http://www.nuxified.org/forum/148

It's empty for now, but you can start opening new topics about PolishLinux.org there. Maybe we could move this one there too?

Thanks

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moving the thread
libervisco wrote:

PolishLinux.org forum has been created and here it is: http://www.nuxified.org/forum/148

Thanks!

libervisco wrote:

It's empty for now, but you can start opening new topics about PolishLinux.org there. Maybe we could move this one there too?

Sure we can move this thread there, so that it's not so empty anymore Smiling

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I've been looking around

I've been looking around PolishLinux.org, and couldn't help noticing notices like

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Attention! This is not a right place to ask questions concerning your problems with GNU/Linux. There is Usenet, there are appropriate forums for that, i.e. LinuxQuestions.org. Posts that are not connected with the article will be deleted without warning.

any chance to get nuxified in there ? Or specificly link to the PolishLinux forum... like "you can ask questions on our forum"

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linuxquestions.org -> nuxified.org
free-zombie wrote:

I've been looking around PolishLinux.org, and couldn't help noticing notices like

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Attention! This is not a right place to ask questions concerning your problems with GNU/Linux. There is Usenet, there are appropriate forums for that, i.e. LinuxQuestions.org. Posts that are not connected with the article will be deleted without warning.

any chance to get nuxified in there ? Or specificly link to the PolishLinux forum... like "you can ask questions on our forum"

Sure. I just put LinuxQuestions.org there because I had no better idea what forum should I point to before Smiling

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Topic moved.. So

Topic moved..
So er...Welcome to Nuxified michuk!

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It's probably better to

It's probably better to refer to nuxified as a whole for questions unrelated to polishlinux articles. Using the polishlinux forum when a better categorization is possible just gets confusing.

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Thanks for moving the topic

Thanks for moving the topic Andrew.

I think what probably makes best sense is to link to this forum specifically for all stuff related to PolishLinux.org itself, ways of improving it and such, while for support questions Nuxified.org as a whole (or root of Nuxified.org forums) would be best. Of course, parts of the site which are for Poland users should link to your own polish GNU/Linux forums. This is just for english speaking crowd. Eye

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i agree
tbuitenh wrote:

It's probably better to refer to nuxified as a whole for questions unrelated to polishlinux articles. Using the polishlinux forum when a better categorization is possible just gets confusing.

Of course I agree there is no sense to write about generic stuff on this forum. It's only for PolishLinux-related matters.

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