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Hello

I have just yesterday installed SuSE and I wanted to post up my experiences with it and see if they're similar to anyone elses..

First of all I didn't like the fact that I had to make ready partitions for SuSE from Ubuntu before I can start installing SuSE. It can do it itself, but only the way SuSE proposes, either to erase whole disk or to erase my existing Ubuntu partition set. That's why, in order to preserve Ubuntu, I had to make a new partition set waiting for SuSE.

Second thing I don't like is that, even though this seems to be OpenSUSE (which was supposed to be all Free Software) it still comes with some proprietary software, namely Java and Flash (so far as I know), although that can be remedied by choosing not to install or removing if it installs..

Then there was a whole fiasco of not being able to boot it after initial installation, saying something about not being able to execute /sbin/mingetty and respawning to a different user mode.. Anyway, second time I tried a full install it worked, probably because I went through some further "expert" options this time when I also set some monitor and graphic settings manually. I've read that such boot problems can come when having a misconfigured Xorg. So be it.

And here I am in a new SuSE install and to cut the story short it doesn't seem to be very fast and responsive compared to Ubuntu, YaST takes too long to start the software package manager and that said it apparently requires alot of memory to really function as a fast system. Otherwise it just feels bloated (not because it has alot of software, but simply because its crucial systems (like YaST) seem to be big memory consumers. Yum isn't installed by default and I'm yet to try it, but from what I've read and seen so far it's hardly gonna beat apt in efficiency of package installations. What might beat it though is smart package manager which I am trying out now.

YaST package manager doesn't impresses me either. So far it doesn't seem to be any better than Mandrake's urpmi. What may be saving this distro from RPM hell (as well as other RPM distros) doesn't seem to be YaST, but instead tools like yum and smart. YaST is just a pumped up control panel and is most useful for installing RPMs from a CD or individual RPM's downloaded to the disk..

What I do like about SuSE is its style (green I like), the fact that DVD contains alot of software I don't need to download (saving me bandwidth) and nice integration with DE's, especially KDE (as well as some add on features like that KDE menu search box). Infact, I think I would like SuSE much more if it was only faster and more responsive with some of its main apps (like YaST), but that could be resolved by buying more memory. Sticking out tongue

Still, I can't say it fits the bill as a perfect distro for me. I am yet to eee how does it handles software compiles, that is, if it is compile friendly or not. (to be compile friendly it has to be set in the most standard way possible).

So, anyone recognizes themselves in this experience? What do you think about SuSE and especially its performance? I've seen people saying both that it is "historically slow" and that with it's 10th release that it is very speedy and responsive. At this point for me it seems to be nearer to former than latter.

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A few weeks ago I installed SuSE 10.0 it seemed okay, it installed and ran fine, but I didn't see to many improvments over 9.1 (the last I tried). YaST is a big problem, it's one of the best ideas out there, it's great for configuring your system. But it is very big and bloated, I keep coming over people who say it's just the same old YaST system with features just bolted on, and not integrated properly.

I also think YaST is lame when it comes to package managment, if I wanted to install almost anything I had to find each RPM myself and install it.

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Yes, YaST certainly does feel slow and bloated even though some of its configuration tools are useful. The point is that YaST still isn't anything spectacular as people tend to say. It isn't better in package management than urpmi and it only matches urpmi in other configuration stuff.

For real package management SuSE needs yum, apt and smart. I have just tried smart and I'd say it's the best of all three and it also works flawlessly.

All in all, after this very short time of using it I would say SuSE is OK, it's a good distro and people coming from windows will absolutely appreciate it (provided they have a strong computer and alot of memory), but it doesn't fit my description of the ideal GNU/Linux distro for me.

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imo, the real advantage to suse is its wide compatibility with hardware. so far it's the only distro to successfully detect and configure my hardware perfectly. the others just don't run! debian sorta works, but i'm still playing around with that to get it working properly. i might try gentoo with a 2.4 kernel or something... anyway, i'm using 9.3 as i'm reluctant to upgrade when all my stuff works fine, and i've heard a couple of bad things about suse 10. nothing major, just enough to put me off.

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I have to say that hardware detection indeed does seem great on SuSE considering it automatically recognized my GPRS/EDGE modem out of the box which I didn't actually expect. Then again it was the first distro I installed after getting that modem so I can't really compare it to others. I only know slackware didn't recognize it automatically as I installed that the next.

Btw, welcome to nuxified.org scott_w. =D>

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"scott_w" wrote:

imo, the real advantage to suse is its wide compatibility with hardware. so far it's the only distro to successfully detect and configure my hardware perfectly. the others just don't run! debian sorta works, but i'm still playing around with that to get it working properly. i might try gentoo with a 2.4 kernel or something... anyway, i'm using 9.3 as i'm reluctant to upgrade when all my stuff works fine, and i've heard a couple of bad things about suse 10. nothing major, just enough to put me off.

I'm running Novell's eval edition of Suse Linux 10.0, and it took the usual time to get working just how I like it, but aside from that it's a stable system just like the later 9.x series was. What's got you frightened that you remain on 9.3? :smiling:

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I have to say that SUSE 10.0 eval ed. was awful, I never ever got it installed. I kept getting thesse errors about some of the packages not installing. When I tried to boot it, it gave me the anme password login screen, but I had never got a chance to set my name or password. Of course I'm not sure if it is suse. I could not log in and it seemed i could not type in my password. I just got a new DVD/cd burner because the other one would spin really fast and not read the mandrake install cds that I had. I decided to install suse because it was the latest distrobution I had download. I had previously been a mandrake club member, but I was not happy with the beta version of kb3 that came with mandrake 10.0 ( or was it 10.1 can't recall. It only burned coasters of other linux distubutions I tried to make, so I was forced to used the windows partition to burn cds at 4x speed in order to get them to work. I burned my mom a working Fedora Core 4 distobution that way. The mandrake 10.0 distrubution is on a completly different computer than the one I tried to install SUSE on.

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Well, SUSE is alright I'd say once you get it going, but to be honest I wouldn't put it on top of all desktop distros as so many people seem to do. I would say that mandriva definitely beats it when it comes to the installation and most likely other stuff as well and Ubuntu is there pretty close.

SUSE, in the end, smells like a bloat. Still though, all you susers, that's just my personal impression/experience so don't get caught on that. Eye

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"libervisco" wrote:

SUSE, in the end, smells like a bloat. Still though, all you susers, that's just my personal impression/experience so don't get caught on that. Eye

A valid view, I'd say SuSE is bloated if it's isn't run on a dual P4 with about 2GB of RAM, but since other distro's seem to fair better on lower spec computers SuSE has lost the respect it gained by bringing me into GNU/linux.

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I guess bloated is needed, or not, because on some machines with a slow internet connection, that bloat is needed, because users cannot download stuff, becasuse they can be on dial up, or have a monthly limit. Suse is good for people who need all the apps together, although, personally, I wouldnt use it.

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Bloat usually means misuse of resources, especially memory.

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Yeah it does seem like a waste of resources. But then again it probably depends on what you consider wasting. Of course that a GUI program may probably take more memory than a command line or ncurses program for example, and those of us who are already well versed with CLI, the GUI configurators may seem like a waste and bloat, but to new users they are needed.

But as always in the end everyone makes their own choices and have their own needs. To some it may be OK to waste a few more megs of memory while others wont be able to live if they don't have half of it free in normal operation or something. Laughing out loud

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Yeah, after all it is the whole point, to have choice, and if ya want to be 12gb, fat and bloated, slow with lots of tools, shoot away Eye

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SuSE 10.1 is not bloated.

SuSE 10.1 is not bloated. I'm smelling haters on this forum plain and simple. It runs fine on a 200mhz computer with 64 MB of ram.

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Why would there be any

Why would there be any haters? SuSE 10.1 is fine as any other distro based on your needs and preferences. There's no one right choice nor is anyone here implying that there is.

You're free to choose.

Onlinebacon was half joking and his point was exactly that you're free to choose.

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Haters? That smell must be

Haters? That smell must be coming from slashdot next door Eye .

SuSE is relatively bloated. Relatively. As in compared to some other distros, which are relatively lean, and disliked by SuSE users for their fea