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The future: GNOME 3 vs. KDE4

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I've read a bit about KDE4 yesterday checking out some of community mock-ups and ideas for it and it seems there is a good chance KDE4 will indeed deliver the next generation desktop experience that may possibly go beyond what even OS X has to offer. Check out the KDE Appeal website to see the stuff that's already being worked on.

Being a GNOME user primarily these days however I was wondering about the future of GNOME and if it has something equivalent to KDE4 to offer. What I found is a slashdotted story (also commented on osnews) about the need to "fork" GNOME 3 as a special branch.

But all things considered it seems that KDE is pretty far beyond GNOME in planning a next generation version of its desktop environment. It seems like GNOME users couldn't expect any revolutionar changes anytime soon, unlike KDE users who are eagerly brainstorming and awaiting KDE4.

What do you think of this? I think this discussion could expand into a discussion on wether desktop as it is today really needs much improving (fundamentally). Do you think GNOME is best as it is and doesn't require any revolutionary changes? In that light what do you think about KDE4?

Discuss. Smiling

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I think both ar very nice

I think both ar very nice Desktop Environments as they are. Though they both have problems, I feel KDE 3.* tries to do everything and isn't as eligent as Gnome, while on the other hand Gnome doesn't have any kind of control center and it's slightly too simple.

I hope that KDE 4 brings some sanity to the DE, making it more eligent and easier to use. With Gnome 3 I hope they put in a decent more central control system and make it less for the lowest common denominator.

I've read some of the stuff on Planet Gnome and so forth on Gnome 3, I've found this post by Jono Bacon on Gnome 3 very interesting. It suggests that the desktop should work around the user - not the other way around as is happening currently - he mentions the development of such things as lowfat (which looks ace btw). He suggests that when you are working on $Project you can open up Gaim and only buddies that are to do with project are displaied so you will not get distracated etc.
There seems some confusion is some quarters too if Gnome 3 will have a new API, some are saying that the 3 is for the users, and thus doesn't need a new API while others are saying that it's for the devels and thus does have a new API. I personally believe that there will be a new API so that newer things not thought of at all for the 2 API can be implemented neatly and not some YaST like mess.

I'm not as in touch with KDE (as is evident from Gnome-heaviness of the post) but I think they'll get KDE4 out well before Gnome3, and it'll be a very good DE - lighter, saner, easier to use and more intuative.

That's all for now;

dylunio

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dylunio wrote: I think both
dylunio wrote:

I think both ar very nice Desktop Environments as they are. Though they both have problems, I feel KDE 3.* tries to do everything and isn't as eligent as Gnome, while on the other hand Gnome doesn't have any kind of control center and it's slightly too simple.

Actually GNOME has control panels, but they're made as specific programs for specific tasks and all put in a Desktop > Preferences menu.

I can imagine this could confuse some users, but I'm really not sure what's easier to use ultimately.. I think both approaches have their advantages.

It's good to hear there's been more talk on GNOME 3 as that should mean that something ought to be cooking. But they really need to settle the differences in a timely manner, I think, if they want to be there with it in time to answer KDE4.

On the other hand, maybe that's not this important. Maybe GNOME doesn't need a big leap to continue appealing to users.

To me personally, GNOME is preffered because of its themeing capabilities (which are IMO quite a bit ahead of KDE) and the elegance you already mentioned.

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Control Center

Gnome has a control center, just no one uses it:
`gnome-control-center`

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it looks like KDE4 is

it looks like KDE4 is pushing what the modern (as in current) PC desktop looks like and how it acts to the "wow" limits - I think we can expect a great desktop there with plasma ans possibly people implementing some of kde-look's brainstorms

GNOME3 looks like it will be released quite a bit later, but will be more revolutionary - push the boundaries of simplicity. http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero looks like (haven't read most of it) the GNOME folks want to forget all about what PC desktops currently work like - which might be a good idea. What will happen is another thing.

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ma_d wrote: Gnome has a
ma_d wrote:

Gnome has a control center, just no one uses it:
`gnome-control-center`

Eh how did I miss that? Smiling Well, maybe that goes to say that the approach with the Desktop > Preferences menu is a good one as people apparently didn't look for anything else.

Or maybe the gnome-control-center is just too hidden for anyone to know it even exists..

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libervisco wrote: Or maybe
libervisco wrote:

Or maybe the gnome-control-center is just too hidden for anyone to know it even exists..

I am quite sure it is a relict from gnome1 days. Back then there were special nautilus URLs for stuff like preferences and "Start Here" (at least that was Red Hat 7.3, with which I entered the world of GNU/Linux). I expect that gnome-control-center was the gnome2 equivalent until they came up with the menu (I am unsure since I have unclear memories of the early days of gnome2, which I largely skipped in favour of KDE)

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KDE does try to do everything

I do think KDE tries to do everything. I like that. Sure, I could do it manually from the CLI, but I bought this power house computer... might as well put it to good use.

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In my opinion, it will not

Smiling In my opinion, it will not be KDE vs Gnome for long anymore, it will be KDE vs Gnome vs Enlightenment vs XFCE Eye

Though, out of KDE and gnome, i would ALWAYS go for gnome, find it a lot nicer and less of a resource hog, although I spend most of my time in evilwm, ratpoison, fluxbox or screen nowadays Laughing out loud

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