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Changing to Fedora

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Hi, Olivier.You said:GGL

Hi, Olivier.

You said:

GGL wrote:

Fedora Core
(...)
The layout is similar to Ubuntu

But actually, Fedora's installer asks you which desktop environment you want to use (Gnome, KDE, Xfce...). In the installer, Gnome is just selected by default.

GGL wrote:

Fedora Core
(...)
We recommend this distribution if you are committed to using free software and are sure you want to install GNU/Linux on your computer

I think it sounds like "once you install Fedora, it's hard to get rid of it". Indeed we need to say that Fedora is not very beginner-friendly somehow, but we should say so in other way. "We recommend this distribution if you are committed to using free software, want to learn more about Linux, work on software development or have an slow access to Internet (or no access at all)", for example.

Also, Fedora might be installed from 6 CDs, not only from a single DVD. I think this is important, as there exist a lot of people without DVD reader/burner.

HTH.

Cheers!

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another try

Thanks for the comments, Gustavo.

Gustavo wrote:

But actually, Fedora's installer asks you which desktop environment you want to use (Gnome, KDE, Xfce...). In the installer, Gnome is just selected by default.

I think this is too complicated and we just cannot go for an explanation here... Let's just simplify things and stick to Fedora=Gnome for these (already heavy) pages, what do you think?

Gustavo wrote:

Fedora Core
I think it sounds like "once you install Fedora, it's hard to get rid of it". Indeed we need to say that Fedora is not very beginner-friendly somehow, but we should say so in other way. "We recommend this distribution if you are committed to using free software, want to learn more about Linux, work on software development or have an slow access to Internet (or no access at all)", for example.

You are right about this.
Small detail: I am not sure about the "want to learn about Linux"... is there a precise point you wanted to make?
I put it as:
"We recommend this distribution if you are committed to using free software on your computer, look for more security features, work on software development or have little or no internet connection."
Is this better?
I also thought it wise to add a link within the description pointing towards the very good comparison on PolishLinux.org, so visitors can see more by themselves. Have a look a the temp file.

Gustavo wrote:

Also, Fedora might be installed from 6 CDs, not only from a single DVD. I think this is important, as there exist a lot of people without DVD reader/burner.

I notice that this is quite amusing since we are pointing to a six CD download for people with slow internet, though we (nor Fedora wiki) don't point to a CD order store. But we'll solve this bug soon ;-)
I changed the Try and Install page to add the 6 CDs.

Thanks for the remarks. Slowly getting there...
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Alright

Hi, Olivier!

ariadacapo wrote:
Gustavo wrote:

But actually, Fedora's installer asks you which desktop environment you want to use (Gnome, KDE, Xfce...). In the installer, Gnome is just selected by default.

I think this is too complicated and we just cannot go for an explanation here... Let's just simplify things and stick to Fedora=Gnome for these (already heavy) pages, what do you think?

I think we could put things this way:

  • Ubuntu -> "Gnome".
  • Kubuntu -> "KDE".
  • Fedora -> "You may take either Gnome or KDE, but if you have an old computer, Xfce is the way to go". But if this one looks too long, it could just say "You may take either Gnome or KDE" and forget about those who have old computers.
ariadacapo wrote:
Gustavo wrote:

Fedora Core
I think it sounds like "once you install Fedora, it's hard to get rid of it". Indeed we need to say that Fedora is not very beginner-friendly somehow, but we should say so in other way. "We recommend this distribution if you are committed to using free software, want to learn more about Linux, work on software development or have an slow access to Internet (or no access at all)", for example.

You are right about this.
Small detail: I am not sure about the "want to learn about Linux"... is there a precise point you wanted to make?
I put it as:
"We recommend this distribution if you are committed to using free software on your computer, look for more security features, work on software development or have little or no internet connection."
Is this better?
I also thought it wise to add a link within the description pointing towards the very good comparison on PolishLinux.org, so visitors can see more by themselves. Have a look a the temp file.

By "want to learn more about Linux", I mean that Fedora seems to ask many questions that might be irrelevant for those who don't know about some technical details of Linux and don't want to learn them, IMO. AFAIR, it even mentions the X server, boot loaders, among other things. I think a newcomer installing Fedora might be wondering: "What are these weird questions? A Microsoft Windows installation never asks these useless questions! I just want to read my emails, browse the web, listen to music and write some documents!".

However, I think your approach is enough.

ariadacapo wrote:
Gustavo wrote:

Also, Fedora might be installed from 6 CDs, not only from a single DVD. I think this is important, as there exist a lot of people without DVD reader/burner.

I notice that this is quite amusing since we are pointing to a six CD download for people with slow internet, though we (nor Fedora wiki) don't point to a CD order store. But we'll solve this bug soon ;-)
I changed the Try and Install page to add the 6 CDs.

Alright! Smiling

Cheers!

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We recommend
ariadacapo wrote:

"We recommend this distribution if you are committed to using free software on your computer, look for more security features, work on software development or have little or no internet connection."

Doesn't mentioning security features like this make Ubuntu seem inherently more insecure? (though it might be, I don't use it)

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Aha! How about: "The

Aha!

How about:

"The distribution by the long-time prominent GNU/Linux developer company Red Hat. The layout is similar to Ubuntu (although it is also possible to use KDE like Kubuntu), but there are differences in the chosen applications, install protocols and several technical elements.

We recommend this distribution if you are committed to using free software on your computer, wish to learn more about the workings of a GNU/Linux system and security configuration, work on software development or have little or no internet connection."

(see updated temp file)

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Yes, I like it! Cheers!

Yes, I like it!

Cheers!

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Yes, that does sound good

Yes, that does sound good Smiling

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Pretty good

I like it as well. IMHO it can go live in this form.

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All looking good to me.

All looking good to me. Smiling

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OK great! I'm happy to see

OK great! I'm happy to see such unanimity Smiling
A few more hours and I shall be done with it, together with the French translation.

It would be nice to make some kind of an "official announcement" to justify the switch from OpenSUSE to Fedora. Would the arguments stated in the Samba team message represent everyone's point of view here?
I think it'd be best to make it not too much political and engaged; one simple paragraph would do. The point is not to discuss the finality of the MS-Novell deal (BTW Charles H. Schulz wrote an interesting article on this) but simply to have a statement made.

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Samba statement arguments

Samba statement arguments sound good to me.

dylunio

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I agree with it

I agree with it too.

Cheers.

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