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I have been discussing GetGNU/Linux on the #ubuntu-uk group and a few valid points have been made.

- Why not microsoft is slightly too much microsoft bashing? We need to mention MacOS as that is propeitary software in the same way.
- Clumsy phrase "Amongst themselves they have different visions of an operating system. It is precisely this difference and variety that participate in making Linux so special and interesting"
- Inconsistency between GNU/Linux and Linux (personally i don't think this is such a problem)
- getgnulinux.org is clumsy (I think this is a bit of a problem, are there any domains we could get to redirect?)

These are meant to be constructive criticism and hopefully can help improve the site.

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Bjwebb wrote: I have been
Bjwebb wrote:

I have been discussing GetGNU/Linux on the #ubuntu-uk group and a few valid points have been made.

I never noticed, somebody should have pinged me! Eye

Bjwebb wrote:

- Why not microsoft is slightly too much microsoft bashing? We need to mention MacOS as that is propeitary software in the same way.

I am sure that there is a MacOS section in development?
Apple give back to the OpenSource world also. Also the biggest fraction of computer users use MS Windows, thus they are a better market to aim the project at.

Bjwebb wrote:

- Inconsistency between GNU/Linux and Linux (personally i don't think this is such a problem)

I am sure this can be easily fixed Laughing out loud

Bjwebb wrote:

- getgnulinux.org is clumsy (I think this is a bit of a problem, are there any domains we could get to redirect?)

Does that not contradict your last point Eye I will try to have a think about other domains though.

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AndrewB wrote: Bjwebb
AndrewB wrote:
Bjwebb wrote:

- Inconsistency between GNU/Linux and Linux (personally i don't think this is such a problem)

I am sure this can be easily fixed Laughing out loud

I believe it hasn't been as to keep neutral on naming.

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GNU/Linux & Linux

I should get someone whose never heard of GNU/Linux or Linux to read GGL and tell me if they think the name interchange is confusing...

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Get Nuxified!
AndrewB wrote:
Bjwebb wrote:

- getgnulinux.org is clumsy (I think this is a bit of a problem, are there any domains we could get to redirect?)

Does that not contradict your last point Eye I will try to have a think about other domains though.

I just had an evil thought about that one: GetNuxified.org Laughing out loud

No I didn't trademark "Nuxified"... yet... Sticking out tongue

Even if I did, I'd let GNU/Linux Matters foundation use it like above. Smiling

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OS name and domain name

From my understanding, the "inconsistency" between the two names is entirely intentional. See http://planet.getgnulinux.org/about/bylaws, under the heading 'Compromises'. There's also something about the different domain names on the FAQ at http://www.getgnulinux.org/about/faq/#getlinux.

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Thanks for the feedback...

Thanks for the feedback... sorry to answer late, I try to catch up with all the threads ;-)

- Apple/OSX:
It's always been intended to mention Mac too (right since the start of the website). But the trouble is
1) We need to either re-write the "Why not Windows" section (the part on "what about choice" really is Microsoft-specific, Apple doesn't try to lock users this much), or include an extra section (I'm very reluctant to add things, the strength of GGL is that it's simple).
2) Mac users are VERY HARD to convince. They chose their software and paid a lot for that. When I meet Mac fans I rarely try anything.
3) They are a very small minority. Just looking at the stats for April so far: Windows 71000 pages, Macintosh 169 pages.
All of these factors combine to make such a work quite secondary. Think of how many more people we can reach with better/more translations, more linking, a secondary "guiding" website, than with working on Mac... I try to spend my time as efficiently as I can.

-Clumsy phrase above:
Can anyone rephrase that? After too much re-reading it gets really difficult for me. But I definitely agree that it's not good.

-Inconsistency in GNU/Linux vs. Linux
Indeed this is "intentional". I won't debate this again, the links guyjohnston provided should cover it (or a more personal one).

-Extra domains
I got in touch with the getlinux.org owner a few months ago and he wasn't ready to sell (or else for a big price he didn't mention, but we have small budgets).
Can't get an answer from the owner of getlinux.com
Apart from that all the "good domains" (short, memorable, nice-sounding) with the keyword "linux" are taken unfortunately. Looking back at my notes from when GGL wasn't up, I can read I had considered leftovers like turntolinux.org or changetolinux.net , but none of them are really good... getnuxified.org could be ok I suppose;-), but it doesn't sound immediately snappy...
Amongst the good domains that are registered but unused (thoughts?), if someone is willing to contact owners for prices, then please do so. I personally have lost faith in domains and take it as a blessing that getgnulinux.org (clumsy all right (imagine the trouble I have saying it in France) but very appropriate) was free when I thought of it.
I think if a really good domain comes up and it's less than $1500, with a very well organized campaign we can raise the money. I'll fight hard for that.

Anyway keep the feedback coming... ;-)

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My suggestion
ariadacapo wrote:

-Clumsy phrase above:
Can anyone rephrase that? After too much re-reading it gets really difficult for me. But I definitely agree that it's not good.

How about:

In the Linux communtiy different people have differerent visions of what makes an ideal operating system. These differences lead to variety - you can choose the distrobution (version) of Linux that is best for you - which is what makes Linux so special and interesting.

ariadacapo wrote:

if someone is willing to contact owners for prices, then please do so.

How about we try to buy linux.org, that's short and snappy Smiling. We'd also instantly get to the top of search rankings Laughing out loud.

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domain name

The current domain name seems fine to me.

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building upon your

building upon your proposal, how about:

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In the free software community, members have different visions of what makes an ideal operating system. These differences lead to variety, which is what makes Linux so special and interesting.

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Yes I think that works

Yes I think that works well, could you update the actual page with it?

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What about replacing the

What about replacing the "Switch to Linux" section by "Why not Mac?"?

Anyways, the "First Steps in Linux" website is going to supercede "Switch to Linux". Have a look at the svn repo: http://svn.getgnulinux.org/fsl_en

Cheers!

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done. Thank you!

done. Thank you!

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Gustavo wrote: What about
Gustavo wrote:

What about replacing the "Switch to Linux" section by "Why not Mac?"?

Well that would be a lot of redundant information... I'd say 80% of "Why not Windows" applies to Mac. The "Windows" section is not about Windows so much as to answer "Why bother? Things work for me", which is what people think when they first read about GNU/Linux. Saying "Why not Windows" simply has the advantage that it says more about GNU/Linux: it's something that replaces Windows.

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Anyways, the "First Steps Website" is going to supercede "Switch to Linux". Have a look at the svn repo: http://svn.getgnulinux.org/fsw_en

I think you meant http://svn.getgnulinux.org/fsl_en
Looks great! I'll have a more thorough look soon.

In any case the "switch to Linux" section will probably change a lot soon.

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combine

How about making the page "Why not Windows or Mac?" with a note that the monopoly part is Windows-specific.

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Hmmm... What do other

Hmmm... What do other members think of that?
Given the statistics, I think I'd rather keep it Simple, Simple, Simple, than be precise - the strength of GGL is that it's clear (IMO). The more information we try to fit in, the more encumbered it becomes.

Or another idea... the end of the Windows page [

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Don't rely on statistics.

The statistics aren't what matters. What matters is that most people know that Mac is an alternative to Windows. We need to tell them that GNU/Linux is a better one.

If you think the title would be too long, keep it as is and add a footnote.

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I fully agree with a

I fully agree with a thing.

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Yes you're right

Yes you're right a_thing.

My post above was truncated, I wanted to suggest adding a link in the conclusion (bottom of Windows page) towards an FAQ entry or an extra page. So it would look like this:

suggestion wrote:

Many people find that Windows®, an otherwise decent piece of software, withdraws so many rights from them, that it is not worth them using it. Mac OSX is not much better.

If you find free software attractive, you might want to give Linux a try.

does this sound good?

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add "either"
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Mac OSX is not much better.

Change that to:

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Mac OSX is not much better, either.

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Right, I'll try to do this

Right, I'll try to do this at the end of the week.
Olivier.

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done...

Better late than never,
The link is there at the bottom of the Windows page, towards a new FAQ entry.
I also moved the section "understanding free software" within the FAQ page, it is now higher up, instead of last.

Any comments on the content of this FAQ entry?

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It's very good.

It's very good.

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