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Ase part of the GGL project we are asking people to place a Get Linux button on their site(s), which is essentially a link to our site. While it would be stupidity to link to every blog or minor site that did this, I think it would be a good idea to have a link page pointing to some of the major sites that do. The reason I mention this is because the site http://www.spreadubuntu.co.uk/ has been brought up on the ubuntu-uk mailing list - it would be nice if they could link to us using a Get Linux button, but it seems unfair to expect them to do so without us linking back to them. A links page like this could also contain useful resources like linuxquestions etc.

What do other people think?

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Bjwebb wrote: useful
Bjwebb wrote:

useful resources like linuxquestions

I believe GGL already links to Nuxified.org.

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I think we already have

Hi!

I think we already have enough Ubuntu-related links.

Also, I honestly don't see anything worth recommending on that site. Don't get me wrong: It only has a web forum aimed at people promoting Ubuntu, while our target audience are everyday computer users (those who don't use Linux)... It doesn't make any sense to suggest them that website. However, it's a newly created website, so, perhaps, they'll have something worth recomending later.

On the other hand, I think that [future] GGL Ambassadors in the UK should partner up with them; this is where that site fits in GGL, in my opinion.

BTW, I understand it's not fair to expect people linking to GGL in exchange for nothing, but we just cannot accept a link exchange with any website that talks about Linux, unless it complements the information provided through GGL. I say so because I don't see that website as one of the major ones; actually, it's empty.

Cheers!

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I run Spread Ubuntu and you

I run Spread Ubuntu and you are right, the site isn't aimed at new users, its aimed at people who use/like Ubuntu and are interested in helping to promote it to new users. I'm considering creating a new site called "Get Ubuntu" as an offshoot, which would be aimed at converting potential everyday users and would be more of a suitable match for Get GNU/Linux.

Also I agree there isn't that much to recommend it yet, but as you say its a new site (only a few days old). I added a resources section today with banners, buttons and a poster. More to come soon.

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Hi, Robster. Welcome to

Hi, Robster.

Welcome to NXFD!

Indeed, linking to "Get Ubuntu" from GGL would make a lot of sense, specially if it's aimed at people around the world, imho.

By the way, there's no such a site for Spanish-speaking people, so perhaps you might also want to encourage people to make it available in other languages.

I would be nice to see such an independent worldwide effort to promote each of the most used distros around -- Something similar to GetGNULinux.org, but distro-specific.

Cheers!

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A promotional "get" site

A promotional "get" site for popular distros sounds like a good idea. It doesn't necessarily have to replace the real distro homepage, but it could be a brief to the point satellite site with attractive download buttons and rundown of features and specialties. I imagine people would love this sort of thing, creating a standard by which the quickiest way to get a particular distro easily and quickly is always through "get" sites. Smiling

Oh and welcome aboard Robster! Smiling

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Two things come to mind: 1.

Two things come to mind:

1. Our links are poor. The Where to go now page is the poorest page in the site (unclear, unpleasing to the eye, some irrelevant links).
I was thinking of re-writing it with link buttons (instead of plain text) as:

Quote:

1. Information
(Fedora) (Ubuntu)

2. Questions and help
(NXFD)

3. Keep learning
(PolishLinux.org) (FLOSS Booklet) (FSF website)

what do you think?

2. We could link back to sites that have a button linking to us.
Spreadfirefox does it nicely, with "latest incoming link"-like things. But this requires braking the accessibility (i.e. instead of linking to getgnulinux.org, people would have to link to something like planet.getgnulinux.org/id=?24 with a redirect ) and I don't like the idea.
So what we could do would be to manually build a "pool" of referrers (from the site stats) and pick one randomly each time. So the "about" page and the planet site could each display a "random referrer" box.
In any case I have to finish the new link buttons (I'm still stuck with the script to toggle/display their code), and make a "link to us" link in the footer of GGL.

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ariadacapo wrote: Two
ariadacapo wrote:

Two things come to mind:

1. Our links are poor. The Where to go now page is the poorest page in the site (unclear, unpleasing to the eye, some irrelevant links).
I was thinking of re-writing it with link buttons (instead of plain text) as:

Quote:

1. Information
(Fedora) (Ubuntu)

2. Questions and help
(NXFD)

3. Keep learning
(PolishLinux.org) (FLOSS Booklet) (FSF website)

what do you think?

As long as one get the same information when (for some reason) the images are not displayed, it is ok.

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2. We could link back to sites that have a button linking to us.
Spreadfirefox does it nicely, with "latest incoming link"-like things. But this requires braking the accessibility (i.e. instead of linking to getgnulinux.org, people would have to link to something like planet.getgnulinux.org/id=?24 with a redirect ) and I don't like the idea.
So what we could do would be to manually build a "pool" of referrers (from the site stats) and pick one randomly each time. So the "about" page and the planet site could each display a "random referrer" box.

If we get to use a link exchange, then that would be the way to go, imho.

Cheers!

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That actually is a kind of

That actually is a kind of a link exchange, only maybe semi-automated. You just get referrers, pick out the decent links from them (so it doesn't include spam referrers) and proceed it to the random link selector for displaying on the pages in some corner. Smiling

A plain link exchange could work too, but it becomes a bit of an issue once you have a lot of link exchange partners. To be honest I stopped doing link exchanges since some time now because of this (and partly because I also sell link space).

A more sophisticated system of enticing people to link to GGL without needing to spend too much "real estate" on all kinds of links would be really good (something like spreadfirefox.com, but simpler (or more accessible) I guess).

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Implementing a link exchange

We might implement it this way:

  • Have a subdomain to handle such a "dynamic" data (we should keep GGL simple). For example, links.getgnulinux.org.
  • Referrers point visitors to this address (e.g, http://links.getgnulinux.org/?referrerid=234), the server registers this visit and redirects the visitor to www.getgnulinux.org).
  • In order to keep (or improve) our page rank, visitors are redirected using HTTP's 301 (just like we already do).
  • Have a cron job that runs an script to pick up the top 5 referrers of the latest 24 hours, then re-build getgnulinux.org and upload the result to the web sever. As you might have guessed, this script will run every 24 hours. This way, the GGL's contents remain static.

Then we can do the same for each of the GGL's translations.

What do you think?

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why not

personally I don't like this too much, because it breaks the accessibility. The visitor cannot see where he is going to land - I usually tend to distrust links that point to URLs ending with ?xxid=123.

But if you think that might be an incentive for people to link to us, then why not? Let's do it. What do other members think?

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I think its a fairly good

I think its a fairly good idea. If sites are shown based on number of people reffered, then it will give larger sites an incentive to link to us.

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I think it wouldn't affect

I think it wouldn't affect accessibility. It'd be something they would not even notice, something transparent. They will only have trouble if their browser doesn't understand the HTTP redirection, which is very unlikely to happen.

Anyways, that URL was an example. We might use something like: http://links.getgnulinux.org/234

What about now?

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I think it might be nice if

I think it might be nice if we have two lists of referers, one of the top 5 and one of sites picked at random - in order to encourage smaller sites to link to us.

Thoughts?

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Yes, I like it!

Yes, I like it!

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spam

This is vulernable to a spambot spamming the referrers.

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Yes. That's the one

Yes. That's the one disadvantage I see though.

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I'm up for it. You might

I'm up for it.

You might see my remark about accessibility as "pickyness" but I really believe not hiding the end-URL from the user is important. Any redirect still does that. But in this case, the balance is towards having more people link to us - so let's do it.

I think we have space for 3 links in the About page (in place of the current box on the side). I suggest we put 2 recent referrer and 1 random referrer there. On the planet there is space for more than that - top 5 and such sounds quite possible.

I'm quite afraid of having the system abused though. SpreadFirefox have stopped linking directly to the top referrers because of that (they point to members profile instead).

Another problem is the organization... I can feel this will take lots of time to organize (attributing numbers/memberships, checking the system constantly etc) and I have no knowledge in this kind of things.

Does anyone feel they can (knowledge and time!) build such a system?
Olivier.

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Hi! I know PHP and I think

Hi!

I know PHP and I think I can do it in a single weekend.

However, I'm not sure whether offering the links in the about page (or the planet) sounds attractive for people. It doesn't bother me at all, it's just that I don't know if it's going to go work that way.

On the other hand, I think links should be moderated because we won't know what their are going to be (we might be linking to illegal sites). This is, people will have to register each link and then we'll accept/reject them.

As for the time/effort required to carry out such a task, I suggest this to make it easier and quick:
Set up (I myself can do this)

  • Create a private mailing list, whose subscribers will be the moderators of the links.
  • Create a web form to handle such requests (say, http://links.getgnulinux.org/register/). This form will ask people for: the URL itself (of course), a very brief description about the site and a contact email.

Procedure for each link request

  • We receive (through the mailing list) an email for each link request. At the end of the email, we'll have two links: One to accept the link request and the other to reject it (of course, the URLs won't be guessable).
  • Any of us clicks on one of them.
  • The server sends an email to confirm whether the link was accepted.

To prevent us from taking care of the same links, I might replace the mailing list by configuring the web server to send such requests to a different moderator every time.

What do you think? Would it be a worthwhile effort?

Cheers!

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Gustavo wrote: I'm not
Gustavo wrote:

I'm not sure whether offering the links in the about page (or the planet) sounds attractive for people. It doesn't bother me at all, it's just that I don't know if it's going to go work that way.

Me neither to be honest. I'm willing to try too, though...
What else could we offer that would be interesting? We can't sacrifice the quality of GGL, so I can't think of anything else... I think most people will do it as a way to help, not for personal interest- in this respect, the linking is simply a way of attracting attention.

Your system sounds great, Gustavo! If you think you can do it, then let's go.. it can be very worthwhile.

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What about this: In

What about this:

In addition to the random link, lets also create a small and simple section in the planet to list the people/organisations that support our work. Such a section might contain the following pages (for example):
+ Top 20 referrers. *
+ Latest 20 referrers. *
+ Top 10 donations.
+ Latest 10 donations.

* This section would be updated automatically by the server, with no human help.

Then, we might place a link to this section in GGL, either on some or all the web pages.

If we get to receive donations very often, we might also automate the process of updating the donation-related web pages.

I suggest this in order to encourage people to help us out.

What do you think?

On the other hand, I'll work on the random link this weekend... Do you want it with or without the mailing list?

Cheers!

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Yes, that sounds good! The

Yes, that sounds good!

The donations part will have to wait a bit I guess (10 donors! hopefully by June...) but the page sounds like a great idea.
The idea of the mailing-list sounds terrific to me, though don't worry if it takes too much time to build. A simple manually-edited list of links is great to start with.

thanks a lot...

Olivier.

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Alright! I'll do it this

Alright! I'll do it this weekend.

Cheers!

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Coming soon
Gustavo wrote:

Alright! I'll do it this weekend.

If you're wondering why it's not ready yet, the answer is... I decided to make something better and more complex, which is taking more time, but trust me I work everyday on it.

It's mostly done now and I'll announce it soon.

Cheers!

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