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Hello, everyone.

Please, have a look at this document: http://people.gnulinuxmatters.org/gustavo/documents/reaching_a_milestone.pdf

Do not hesitate to criticize with no mercy, please!

Cheers!

PS: I'm in Seville!!

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First some thoughts about

First some thoughts about this, really good collection of ideas.
Though this might be one of the final goals, I would like to address the following points:

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● USA: This country has a huge influence over nations all over the world,
but it is the head office of most freedom-depriving software companies.
Also, we have no presence over there.

Isn't Andrew from the states? And maybe one or two other guys here two? If he, or one of the others, joins you, you would have a representative.

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● Asia: A powerful continent, but at this moment we only reach western
countries.

Yes, Asia is a powerful continent, and it's political and economical influence is growing. Here you have at least 3 potential allies, which are Whistler, Shengchieh (sorry if I didn't remember the correct wording) and me. Also in some places free software also is pushed. And it can be promoted as a way to fight illegal copying of software, which is a big problem over here.

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Latin America: It would relatively easy to get into these countries
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because of the support some governments give to free software. However,
Latin American countries have little influence over other countries.

I guess you said it all. Nonetheless it could be good to have them on your side.

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Europe Union: Our home, where also most of us live in. Where non-free
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software companies make a huge profit (while the most important ones are
from the USA). Where these companies lost the software patents war. This
supra-nation has a huge over other countries.

Having the EU on your side might be a good thing, some countries already support free software, others not (yet). Being in contact with the EU might help other countries reconsider.

And here's what I found (please take into account that I might be wrong too since I'm not a native english-speaker too):
In the 2nd paragraph of "Abstract"

Quote:

I do not know of other organization with these features.

Should be either

Quote:

I do not know of other organizations with these features.

or

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I do not know of another organization with these features.

I think in the 3rd paragraph of "Abstract" it should be "take advantage" instead of "take advance".

2nd paragraph of "Long term stragety"
It should as "As a starting point" instead of "As an starting point". Also the first "," might be too much.

3rd paragraph of "LinuxPreloaded.com"
"Take advance" again.

Also 3rd paragraph of "LinuxPreloaded.com"
It should be "the more they pay", not "they more they pay".

3rd paragraph of "Unconstrained education"
Also "take advance".

In "The milestone: Reaching the European Parliament" it should be "European Union" instead of "Europe Union". In that paragraph there also seems to be a word missing -> "has a huge over other countries."

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you're right
reptiler wrote:

First some thoughts about this, really good collection of ideas.
Though this might be one of the final goals, I would like to address the following points:

Quote:

● USA: This country has a huge influence over nations all over the world,
but it is the head office of most freedom-depriving software companies.
Also, we have no presence over there.

Isn't Andrew from the states? And maybe one or two other guys here two? If he, or one of the others, joins you, you would have a representative.

Oops, I din't know that.

Quote:
Quote:

● Asia: A powerful continent, but at this moment we only reach western
countries.

Yes, Asia is a powerful continent, and it's political and economical influence is growing. Here you have at least 3 potential allies, which are Whistler, Shengchieh (sorry if I didn't remember the correct wording) and me. Also in some places free software also is pushed. And it can be promoted as a way to fight illegal copying of software, which is a big problem over here.

By that I mean that our sites are only available in western languages.

Again, sorry, I didn't know you lived over there. (I think free-zombie lives in China, but I'm not sure)

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Quote:

Latin America: It would relatively easy to get into these countries
●
because of the support some governments give to free software. However,
Latin American countries have little influence over other countries.

I guess you said it all. Nonetheless it could be good to have them on your side.

For sure; as I said, "While we'd have to take all governments into account, we should have a main well-defined target; if we don't, it would be hard for us to make an important step forward (Too many cooks spoil the soup!)".

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Quote:

Europe Union: Our home, where also most of us live in. Where non-free
●
software companies make a huge profit (while the most important ones are
from the USA). Where these companies lost the software patents war. This
supra-nation has a huge over other countries.

Having the EU on your side might be a good thing, some countries already support free software, others not (yet). Being in contact with the EU might help other countries reconsider.

You said it all; that's exactly what I mean.

BTW, thank you so much for the corrections! I think they're all valid.

Cheers!

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Gustavo wrote: reptiler
Gustavo wrote:
reptiler wrote:

First some thoughts about this, really good collection of ideas.
Though this might be one of the final goals, I would like to address the following points:

Quote:

● USA: This country has a huge influence over nations all over the world,
but it is the head office of most freedom-depriving software companies.
Also, we have no presence over there.

Isn't Andrew from the states? And maybe one or two other guys here two? If he, or one of the others, joins you, you would have a representative.

Oops, I din't know that.

Andrew is a Scotsman. However, there are a few USian nuxified members, for example a_thing.

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FreeZombie lives, as far as

FreeZombie lives, as far as I remember, in Bavaria, which is southern Germany. But since I hardly understand people from that part of the country it's more or less like China. ;-)
As said, Whistler for sure is from China, I am in Hong Kong. Shengchieh I don't know for sure, but the username suggests it.

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reptiler wrote: FreeZombie
reptiler wrote:

FreeZombie lives, as far as I remember, in Bavaria, which is southern Germany. But since I hardly understand people from that part of the country it's more or less like China. ;-)
As said, Whistler for sure is from China, I am in Hong Kong. Shengchieh I don't know for sure, but the username suggests it.

Exactly, I'm not the Chinese German ;-)

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Yes, thanks. Somehow I keep

Yes, thanks. Somehow I keep on mixing up these two guys. No idea why...

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Sorry for a delayed

Sorry for a delayed response. I think this document lays out some great ambitious, but likely achievable ideas. There are a few things which I especially like:

  • The fact that you're not too closely aligned with either FSF nor Open Source, which is roughly the area in which Libervis Network acts as well, though we are probably not emphasizing it enough yet. I think those who dare to be independent and criticize even those who they usually agree with, can achieve the most.
  • Mini projects - in other words all the site ideas you mention are very specific and focused on one thing rather than broad and bloated. I like that very much and this is what we've been intending to do for Libervis in the future as well.

I am also inspired by ambition, dedication and "officialness" that you show. About the last thing, this is pretty much what Libervis still lacks. We're loose and our activities often tend to be "guerilla" style, irregular and in bursts, and I'm not always sure whether to consider this an advantage or not. But anyway, I believe you've got a very strong foundation from which you may be able to easily skyrocket your success in the following years.

I would like, at some point, for Libervis to become one of your *official* allies/partners in some area, possibly including sponsorships. Of course, informally we already are allied through Nuxified.org and cross pollination of our communities.

Btw, about the hardware database thing, I think a lot could be drawn from the newly started Hardware4Linux.info.

Cheers

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Hi, libervisco!Thank you

Hi, libervisco!

Thank you very much for those words!

libervisco wrote:

I would like, at some point, for Libervis to become one of your *official* allies/partners in some area, possibly including sponsorships. Of course, informally we already are allied through Nuxified.org and cross pollination of our communities.

That idea popped into my head because of Libervis Smiling . If this proposal comes true, you can be sure that you'll be our first official allied/partner (or probably an sponsor, as you said).

libervisco wrote:

Btw, about the hardware database thing, I think a lot could be drawn from the newly started Hardware4Linux.info.

It looks like a good project, one we'd have to take into account.

Cheers!

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This set of ideas will

This set of ideas will certainly be at the center of our discussions when Gustavo and I will meet in Madrid, as we've planned already over the phone = )

Libervisco, I really second the idea of incorporating Libervis Network in some form or another. I think creating GLM has been our best move so far. It doesn't bring much technically (it even costs quite an amount of time in paperwork ;-)) but is invaluable in legitimizing and representing the project. An official partnership that we could display would help both the Libervis Network and GLM.

I also agree that most of what has been done (and is still being done) over the last two months, both openly and behind the scene, very much feels like preparing for a rocket launch. ;-) I still hope it happens not too far away because a little money would come in handy to pay the bills now.

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We would still probably

We would still probably have to wait a while before making a partnership between Libervis Network and GLM official, as LN has not yet been fully established, although it is planned as soon as possible. I will certainly let you know when this option becomes open.

I mentioned that as something to go for in the (near) future, but not just yet, although in a practical sense we already are cooperators.

Cheers

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