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Gustavo's picture
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Hello, everybody.

What do you think about doing a Search Engine Bombing this way...

In an English web page and web pages whose language is unsupported by GGL:

But if the language of a web page is supported, it should point to the corresponding page in GGL.

Cheers!

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Well, I like the idea and

Well, I like the idea and what it may bring for GGL, but there are a couple of constraints to it. First, Google doesn't condone it, as wikipedia quoted:

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We don't condone the practice of Google bombing, or any other action that seeks to affect the integrity of our search results, but we're also reluctant to alter our results by hand in order to prevent such items from showing up. Pranks like this may be distracting to some, but they don't affect the overall quality of our search service, whose objectivity, as always, remains the core of our mission.

Second, I think it takes a lot more sites than the two (barely three) Libervis sites and GGL to pull this off. You need a larger number of people with blogs or sites participating in this coherently for it to work.

Also, it will be extremely hard to get to the first page for general terms like "windows" and "linux". It is quite hard for me to get there for only "linux help", which is massive amounts less general that just "linux". (We're currently on the fourth page for "linux help").

Anyway, those are just my thoughts. Anyone is welcome to post theirs. If you decide to go for it I'd support it. I guess it can't have much negative ramifications for Nuxified.

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In that german forum I'm in

In that german forum I'm in we did that with the german chancelor Angela Merkel by putting the link into our signatures. This is pretty effective since that will result in a lot of pages with many of these links.
When you googled for "Kohlkopf" (which is a cabbage head) her website turned up. It's also mentioned on the german translation of the linked site. ;-)
But this, like some other Google-bombs, has been removed by Google.

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If a website participates

If a website participates in search engine bombing, will google lower its pagerank? Something to think about...

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Not sure, but when I think

Not sure, but when I think about it I probably wouldn't like to risk it.

Although on the other hand, PageRank is determined purely by their alogirth, so should be technically left unaffected, unless google explcitely edits it.

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two things

Great idea.

Two things:

  • Linux:
    This is not really Google bombing. The fact that linux.org turns up first for a "Linux" search is due mostly to websites linking to it. There's nothing wrong with trying to influence that, since GGL is relevant for that keyword.
    Indeed as libervisco pointed out it's going to be extremely hard. Contrary for reptiler's mentioned keyword for bombing, there's a lot of links around with that keyword.
    But I do intend to get many people linking to us. At the very least I hope to bust linux.org out - I deeply believe this site is hurting our community badly. With many links, it's feasible: check out the results for keyword "get" for example. The top players are there because of the myriad of links saying "get Quicktime", "get Firefox" etc, not because their websites have lots of visits.
    And despite PasseraLinux.fr having a PR of 0, it is in the first page of... guess who. ;-)
  • Windows:
    Now indeed this could be considered bombing.
    * A first remark is that we should concentrate on a particular combination of words - a bomb with "windows" will be hard to make and not very efficient (who searches the web for "windows"?). Maybe "windows upgrade" or "windows problem" or else.
    * We should maybe start this "unofficially", from a different website, because understandably not everyone is going to want to get involved and we might get problems. Google will never change the PR, but does sometimes retaliate by blocking offending sites in response.
    * There are also other ideas we can use, that are not directly bombing. For example last week I noticed that the domain reallygetthefacts.com is not taken... do you follow my mind? ;-)

Overall great idea. I want to resolve other issues before that so I won't start straight away, but it'll come.

Olivier.

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ariadacapo wrote: We
ariadacapo wrote:

We should maybe start this "unofficially", from a different website, [...]

(my mind kept on thinking after posting)
Maybe a very simple one-page website to orchestrate that? something like windowsgooglebomb.com ? It'd sure make it to the digg frontpage.

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Yes, I like it! By the way,

Yes, I like it!

By the way, we should modify our meta tags to include "get windows" as keyword ;-)

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Usually google bombs link

Usually google bombs link to the site of what is disliked instead of an own site. That helps to hide the bomber, and the result is more humorous, which can make more people participate in the bombing.

I've thought of a quite nasty variation of "the wow starts now" to link to microsoft, which I shall not type here because I like my good reputation. PM me if you really have to know.

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Alright I am not in

Alright I am not in opposition to try to get many links to the GetGNULinux.org under the "linux" keyword, but I am more cautious about the "windows" thing if it is going to be "bombing".

To be honest there are some things I like to play safe with, and my relations with google are one of those things. While I'm quick to criticize them and their business when criticism is due, I never heard of a case of them retaliating against a site based on this alone. However when it comes to something that breaks or at least borderline breaks google's rules I'm not sure about that.

Bottom line, I want this site to stay on PR6 rank and continue improving. Libervis Network is also increasingly a business and there are some thing that may not be worth risking it over (note that our ranks and link popularity within google is what sells a lot of advertising and pays the site).

If it's from a different site not at all linked to Nuxified.org then OK, but I'm not sure if that'd really do much good. As Taco mentioned, googlebombing is usually about humor and usually targetted at someone else, not the one who does the "bombing".