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Ubuntu -> Debian?

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Hello.

I've got a question I've trying to ask for sometime now and I think I've finally found the right forum for it.

I'm on ubuntu, which is based on Gnome, which is, in turn, based on Debian. Ubuntu is really good, I even find it simpler to use than XP but there are components that are "forced" on me. So I've been thinking of making a clean install from Debian. At present, I'm only familiar with iso installers and Ubuntu's Synaptic.

Is this a good idea? Would you recommend it to a technically-challenged GNU/Linux user?

Thanks.

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I guess you've got a few

I guess you've got a few things confused here.

Ubuntu is based on Debian, GNOME has nothing to do with it, it's just the default desktop-manager used in these two distributions.

Debian is actually not that hard to install. You can download the NetInstall-image and install from the net, that way you don't need to download all the CD- or DVD-images.

Installation is pretty straight forward, you select what kind of system you like (Desktop, Webserver, etc.) and that's more or less it.

Package-installation and -updates are also really easy. apt-get is propably one of the easiest package-managers you can find out there.

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Fedora

Ubuntu is for people who don't want to tweak their system much, which it seems you're not (anymore). What you want is another distro.

Debian could work, but when I tried Sarge (Ionno how Etch is though), I didn't find it very impressive. I recommend Fedora, which I use on both arthur (my desktop) and marvin (my server). It's easy-to-use, but it doesn't get in your way when you want to change things.

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Ubuntu and Gnome work very

Ubuntu and Gnome work very closely together. Debian doesn't really have a default window manager, but IF you select Desktop Environment in the installer BOTH KDE and Gnome are installed and Gnome is pre-selected in the login screen for historical reasons.

Etch, as a stable debian release, works very well and will continue to do that for quite a while. Sarge may have been missing proper HAL/hotplug support despite its existance at the release, but etch contains rather recent (not any more recent than sarge's components were at the time...) but well-tested components.

If you're familiar with ubuntu's package management but want more control, debian is probably a good way to go. You might also want to consider upgrading to lenny (currently testing) or sid (unstable) at some point when you get bored with having a working system.

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lol Consider me confused

lol

Consider me confused indeed. Ok, I'm getting the picture on Debian. I assume I can also intall synaptics and access Ubuntu's repositories.

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yes/maybe

Yes, you can use Synaptic on Debian. I don't think using Ubuntu's repos is a good idea though. It's not necessary either. Debian is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mindboggingly big it is. I mean you may think it's a long way down the road to the hacker, but that's just peanuts to Debian.

Kudos to whoever knows what I'm alluding to here.

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6+9
a thing wrote:

Debian is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mindboggingly big it is. I mean you may think it's a long way down the road to the hacker, but that's just peanuts to Debian.

had to quote that.

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Back when I used Ubuntu for

Back when I used Ubuntu for a while, I added the debian testing repos to it, because Ubuntu wasn't up to date enough for my tastes. That worked fine for a month or so, after that there were loads of version conflicts. Doing the reverse, adding the Ubuntu repos to a debian install, just seems like asking for trouble without a reason.

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title

I think you meant your title to be 6*9.

#include <stdio.h>

#define SIX 1 + 5
#define NINE 8 + 1

int main(void)
{
    printf( "What do you get if you multiply %d by %d? %d\n", SIX, NINE, SIX * NINE );
    return 0;
}

Sticking out tongue

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oh yeah, right. you already

oh yeah, right.

you already posted that code at some point ;-)

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Present thread

Interesting stuff, thanks very much! :-)

This should have gone at the end of the thread? Duuuuu....?

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Thanks

Thanks! :-)

edit* I don't beieve this is happening! You all get the picture anyway:)

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edjay wrote: edit* I don't
edjay wrote:

edit* I don't beieve this is happening! You all get the picture anyway:)

Replies getting posted as first instead of last replies? Yeah, it's weird.. but I fixed it somehow by moving your post at the bottom..

Which post were you replying to?

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replies

The whole general info about the structure of GNU/Linux. I've just ordered Debian Etch 4.0 today. I think that, and Ubuntu, should keep me going for a very long time: Read; until I'm making trees grow! :-)

I get the funny feeling you will be getting to hear about my introduction to Ubuntu's parents quite soon!

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edjay wrote: I get the
edjay wrote:

I get the funny feeling you will be getting to hear about my introduction to Ubuntu's parents quite soon!

Hehe that'd be nice. Smiling

Good luck with it!

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Debian Etch
libervisco wrote:
edjay wrote:

I get the funny feeling you will be getting to hear about my introduction to Ubuntu's parents quite soon!

Hehe that'd be nice. Smiling

Good luck with it!

Hi ! Well, I've wiped Feisty twice and tried Debian twice and now I'm back on Feisty again. The second install was much better than the first, and I even managed to get something loaded off DVD2 on that occasion. My biggest (only real) problem is getting a "proper" refresh rate on my monitor:

I normally run Edgy at 1600x1200@75Hz and 1280x1024@85Hz and gNewSense at 1024x768@ supposedly 75Hz. I can do this with "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" but this makes no difference in Debian.

It will likely be that I try Debian from time to time, but it would make it seem a lot more interesting with this major problem out of the way: I find a 60Hz (CRT) refresh particularly horrible. Any basics on the Debian Xserver would be great.

Many thanks! :-)

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