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A new Long Term Support big release of Ubuntu is in a week and I'm already successfully running the beta. I accepted by now that trying to escape the Ubuntu gravity well just isn't doing it for me personally and I need a system that just works. Prior to Ubuntu Hardy I ran Debian Sid for a while, but after not being able to boot after the first dist-upgrade I swiftly switched to Ubuntu.

I gotta say I love the experience by now, especially with Firefox 3 (beta5 included in Hardy beta). It's much faster and responsive and I love some of the nice details like having less dialog boxes asking you questions like "do you want to save that password", but rather does more with those bars at the top. It seems they really made it no-frills this time. It is all logical, easy to use and intuitive.

And the rest of the distribution also seems to reflect this. GNOME is getting really good lately. Now there is, to some extent, even better support for remote file management using nautilus, so for quick edits or uploads on my VPS server I no longer need to be using konqueror all the time.

Anyway, did you try it, what did you think of it?

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It's great. My Wireless

It's great.
My Wireless card now works out of the box (in 7.10 I needed ndiswrapper)
and the tool (don't remember the name) that allows editing default wireless networks is a great help too.
Also I like the new Mozilla Prism packages, I can access Google Reader and Google Docs now directly without opening the browser window.

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Cool. I have made a clean

Cool. Smiling I have made a clean re-install today due to some issues I had with policykit, among others, since sometimes it's faster to just a do clean reinstall than waste time messing with that stuff. I had an upgraded beta anyway.

Overall I love it. I'm hard to please lately, but then again this is pretty close to what I guess OS X experience might be - beautiful, simple and functional. Now even running 3D all the time with a special layer for widgets isn't a pain anymore. Things are quite polished. Smiling

Cheers

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After a while of using it I

After a while of using it I have to say Ubuntu has its troubles.. People have reported totally unstable Firefox 3, which is actually a beta 5 version and then there are issues with policykit going awry (I stayed clear of doing anything with it so I appear to be safe for now), pulseaudio issue, nautilus freezing when drag'n dropping etc.

There are some improvements, but it appears that almost half of all the things that are new and therefore supposedly improved are actually exactly the opposite of improvements, or just too unstable or suboptimal to really make the actual improvement be enjoyable.

For example, GNOME has this gvfs system that allows you to use nautilus to connect to a remote server and is actually a bit speedier than before. The best thing is that it also integrates with gedit, so you get something like what I've been describing here for konqueror and kate. However, it times out too fast, needing me to completely restart gedit in which I was editing a remote file and then there is the slowness associated with dragging and dropping stuff into nautilus to upload them - as soon as you move over or do anything over a nautilus window showing a remote folder, it slows down as if it's sending every single mouse move over the network (which would be ludicrous).

Which is why I still use konqueror and kate. In fact I use quanta these days to do remote edits which is even better. GNOME doesn't come close yet. :S

So overall, Ubuntu is moving forward a bit and then backward a bit.. I'm not sure where that leaves us, but since it has newer packages and otherwise polished pre-set desktop, a lot of software available for it and a lot of support - I'm not really looking to replace it (old reasons; Debian too old or unstable, Fedora's yum is too slow, otherwise it might be suffering same issues as Ubuntu with things like Pulseaudio, similarly with openSUSE and PCLinuxOS and nothing else really appeals anymore - my geekiness is no longer focused on tinkering with GNU and Linux systems)..

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yum's speed

Yum gets faster with each Fedora release.

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I'm gonna try Fedora 9.

I'm gonna try Fedora 9. It's already downloaded so might give livecd a spin and if I like maybe install on some partition to see how it goes as a full install.

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Fedora 9 looks quite nice.

Fedora 9 looks quite nice. But I don't like the new package-manager. You have to install one by one, and cannot mark your packets first and then install a pile of them at a time as it was before.
Well, I'm gonna post about F9 quite soon in my blog, and there I'm also gonna mention this.

Aside from that I think that it's a nice piece of software.

Btw, don't turn off your computer while upgrading from F8 to F9, it'll cost you some hours of sleep. ;-)

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Sounds like nothing so far

Sounds like nothing so far beats synaptic for GUI package management. I guess packagekit might be appealing if it successfully and easily installs non-RPM packages on Fedora, which really would be cool, but if not (and somehow I gotta bit a little skeptical considering that usually it's not recommended to install some software from non-native packages) then it's still fairly hard to beat the availability of packages in Debian/Ubuntu..

About upgrading, I wont upgrade since I don't have F8, just install at best, and of course I don't plan on turning it off while installing. Sticking out tongue I guess some sort of an accident happened to you there? Smiling

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