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We need a pastime!

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Hello, everyone.

Don't you think we need a pastime? Nope? Well, take these points into account:

  • First and foremost, the association will be ready in two months or so.
  • It doesn't make much sense to try to carry out many of the most important plans if we are not an association yet (embassies, partnerships...)
  • Once the association in ready, I don't want to announce only "The Association is ready and we have two new translations". I want us to demonstrate: The association is ready and we already have a solid community behind it; by "solid community" I don't mean a large team, but a group that make huge and effective steps (similar to FireHippopotamus, or even better). I really don't want to see a passive community until march/april.

So I propose (or re-propose) the following tasks which would be made in a project codenamed Pastime:

  • Create a secondary website that hosts basic articles for Linux newcomers to make their first steps with. Such a web site would be made up of the following sections: Before you install Linux, while you install Linux and an introduction to the new operating system. I know anyone can find this information on the Internet, but: Written in English and seldom beginner-friendly. I already elaborated on this in The Future of GGL. By the way: Regarding the proposed "Help Center" (with forums, etc), keep in mind I changed my mind about it and I think we're better off sticking to the existing communities. This secondary website would be hosted in a subdomain (newcomers.getgnulinux.org, for example).
  • I'm willing to record short and easy-to-grasp videos explaining step by step: How to back-up your data before getting rid of windows, how to download and install Linux, and how to make your first steps in your new OS. Such videos may be either: dubbed into another languages or replaced by localized videos. I'm quite sure many people will make the switch because of these videos. These videos' contents would be based on the above articles.
  • The upcoming release of Ubuntu has features that will definitely make increase the Linux userbase. So, I also suggest to record the videos once Ubuntu 7.04 is out (on april too).
  • We have to look for someone who knows DocBook and ask him/her to transform our HTML into DocBook. I insist this is a one-time effort for a long term profit. I honestly can't mention a single disadvantage of having the GGL website in XML. It will make everything easier. I'm willing to look for such a contributor in DocBook-related communities, if you people agree.

Anyways, in the mean time I'm also writing down ideas for an upcoming Collaborator Pocket Guide.

What do you think about Pastime? Would you like to add/remove something? Do you think April 10th is a good deadline?

Cheers!

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Video-tutorials are always

Video-tutorials are always a good thing, and they're really popular.
It's one thing to read about a topic, but it's completely different to see it and have somebody tell you about it. Anyway, reading doesn't seem to be that popular anymore. ;-)

What could also be interesting would be live-workshops, or maybe something like these Skypecasts (just based on something open ;-) ).

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with regards to

with regards to video-tutorials, you might want to check out ubuntu's screencast-team:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreencastTeam

since they already have lots of good tutorials online and their page has extensive technical information on how to record a screencast (it's harder than expected - I've tried it once Smiling

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Luzi, thank you so much for

Luzi, thank you so much for the link! I'll follow this guide to record the installation of the supported distros (Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Fedora).

Once the (K)Ubuntu-specific videos are ready, I'll offer them these videos.

Cheers!

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Thanks for the ideas

Thanks for the ideas Gustavo... I see 2 ideas in your post. (with you it's hard to keep track ;-))

  • First steps website
    This looks like an excellent idea to me.
    However it is also a trap: it might cost lots of time to build and maintain. I'm really enthusiastic about it if we can very neatly define what we want before we start. Would the following 3-page layout work?
    1) Before you install (2 videos)
    *make sure your hardware (disk space, RAM) can handle a standard install
    *download and burn iso
    2) During install (2 videos)
    *boot up from liveCD
    *install normally
    3) After install (3 videos)
    *install updates
    *how to install apps
    *various tips
    Just a quick thought - the point is inly that we should aim at something simple and well-defined. Also, it would be a major advantage to co-operate with the Ubuntu screencast team (mabye with CC licenses?).
    Generally I agree that it could be very relevant. I won't be able to participate too much into it unfortunately, as I would rather concentrate on the main site at this moment. April 10th sounds a bit ambitious if Feisty only comes up on the 1st, but it's doable.
  • Re-work our XHTML to XML or other.
    Yes. We talked a lot about it but in the end did nothing. I am bringing this back up in a new thread, for we really need to make a decision.

It's true that we won't have a fully-established association with bank account before two months, but there are many things we can complete before then. For example:
- "tell a friend" and 4-page-pdf boxes on the about page
- Linux FAQ to be improved
- English language to be polished
- Prepare a fine line of link buttons and a list of communities to contact for help once GLM is up.
I am bringing this up progressively in the forum also.
Cheers!
Olivier.

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Great!

Hi, Olivier!

ariadacapo wrote:

First steps website
This looks like an excellent idea to me.
However it is also a trap: it might cost lots of time to build and maintain.

Yes, the hardest part would be set it up. We'll need more collaborators afterwards (not only to maintain this section, but for many more things).

ariadacapo wrote:

I'm really enthusiastic about it if we can very neatly define what we want before we start. Would the following 3-page layout work?
1) Before you install (2 videos)
*make sure your hardware (disk space, RAM) can handle a standard install
*download and burn iso
2) During install (2 videos)
*boot up from liveCD
*install normally
3) After install (3 videos)
*install updates
*how to install apps
*various tips

Great.

ariadacapo wrote:

Just a quick thought - the point is inly that we should aim at something simple and well-defined

Sure. We should only talk about the normal installation. If they have troubles/doubts, they'll have to look for help in the existing communities.

ariadacapo wrote:

Also, it would be a major advantage to co-operate with the Ubuntu screencast team (mabye with CC licenses?).

Yes. We'd provide them with localized videos.

Though I think I'll only work on the Ubuntu's videos, perhaps Kubuntu too, but I cannot afford spending more time on Fedora.

ariadacapo wrote:

Generally I agree that it could be very relevant. I won't be able to participate too much into it unfortunately, as I would rather concentrate on the main site at this moment. April 10th sounds a bit ambitious if Feisty only comes up on the 1st, but it's doable.

Yes. I think the deadline should be 2 weeks after its release.

ariadacapo wrote:

It's true that we won't have a fully-established association with bank account before two months, but there are many things we can complete before then. For example:
- "tell a friend" and 4-page-pdf boxes on the about page

With the website in DocBook, the pdf would be done automagically. BTW, I forgot about the tell-a-friend feature!

ariadacapo wrote:

- Linux FAQ to be improved
- English language to be polished
- Prepare a fine line of link buttons and a list of communities to contact for help once GLM is up.
I am bringing this up progressively in the forum also.

It sounds interesting!

Cheers!

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About videos, in addition

About videos, in addition to making your own video guides and collaborating with Ubuntu ScreenCast team, one other source of good videos may be sites like YouTube. Sometimes people make nice videos about some GNU/Linux distros of which some may be of good enough quality to link to from the videos page.

I'm not sure how easy would it be to find those, but it's something to keep in mind.

Anyway, good ideas forming here!

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PolishLinux.org

Isn't this what PolishLinux.org is for?

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They will complement each other

This secondary website and PolishLinux will complement each other: Our website would be for everyday computer users (like our parents) and PolishLinux is for those who want to go further (like us):

  • Because such a website would be part of the GGL project, we'll make it available in the supported languages.
  • We will provide our visitors with brief contents based on the supported distros only. We won't give a generic introduction to Linux including that there exists package formats such as deb, rpm or tgz, for example.
  • We won't teach them how to compile a program nor how to master the command line, among other things. We will introduce them to the command line because they're going to use it every time they ask for help on the Internet.
  • I think many articles would have a "recommended link" to PolishLinux for further information, as well as links to the unofficial Ubuntu guide, at least in the English version.

We want to make the transition to Linux as easy as possible.

Nowadays GGL simply encourages people to use Linux and suggests websites that explain how to install it... But, do we really believe they install Linux after they see such websites? I don't think so: Those websites just drive common newcomers crazy with tons of information, links, news, ugly hacks, howtos, reviews... People like you and I are the ones who care about these websites, but we are part of "those who go further" (the minority), far from being the average computer user.

Cheers.

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I also think this website

I also think this website and PL.o complement each other. In fact the phrase Polish your Linux! says a lot.
I'll help along a little and will try to translate to French. Let's launch this project Pastime ;-)

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Done!
ariadacapo wrote:

Let's launch this project Pastime ;-)

Done!

If some of you want to help us out, please tell us and we'll create an account for you in the PM.

Cheers!